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AIBU?

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Replacement for my job getting paid more

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 12/05/2018 18:20

I resigned from my job as it’s been really challenging as a role and also getting things done at home.
I was asked to stay on as a favour until the new replacement was found - will be about 3 months in all after the 1 month notice period.
I was on 3 days per week. I’ve now seen my job is being advertised as 4 days per week (they wanted to do full time but didn’t have budget) and on the next pay grade up (£4000 more pa).
The job description has not changed. Duties are the same.
They are asking for someone with line management and experience which they didn’t do when they recruited me, but I had to line manage anyway and hated it.
Aibu to either a) be pissed off and ask for backdated pay as at the rate they clearly think the role as well as the next 3 months to be paid at increased rate is, or b) be pissed off and ask for the increased pay going forward for the next 2 months o so, or c) just walk away?

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SandyY2K · 12/05/2018 23:41

Was line management in your JD when you applied for the role ?

DailyMailReadersAreThick · 12/05/2018 23:42

This is how it works. You always get a bigger pay rise by leaving and joining a new company than negotiating a pay rise in your current. It's silly but it's just how it is.

And I wouldn't be this miffed over £4k...

ohcomeon12321 · 12/05/2018 23:58

not a wont work could try b and if they say no do c

followUs · 13/05/2018 03:32

c) although I can't understand why you're so annoyed. The replacement will be working more than you and has experience you don't. They're worth more.

PlatypusPie · 13/05/2018 03:59

They have realised that they need someone with line manager experience for this function which you didn't have and didn’t want to do. So it seems entirely logical that it is a regraded position going forward , with higher pay to attract someone with those attributes.

Asking for backpay when you are leaving is beyond deluded, if I may say - why would they do that ?

Monty27 · 13/05/2018 04:07

I'd walk. What an insult. You can't reapply I guess as you have already been replaced.
I would be beyond fuming and would refuse to train the new person.

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/05/2018 04:46

I’d do B or ask for some kind of additional payment. More Importantly though the company now recognises the job is 4 days. Ask them how they wish to manage it as you’re no longer prepared to do a 4 day job and get paid 3 days. I’d use this as my bargaining chip for more money or be prepared to walk. If you have a good relationship with your line manager, perhaps they will tell you why it is now a 4 day job. Whereas if you go in all guns blazing, they’ll come up with a flagrant lie about all the additional duties. In any case, I’d ask the company how they wish to handle covering any work over and above your contracted hours.

Askyfullofstars · 13/05/2018 06:54

I suspect this will happen to me soon.
I requested in January for my boss to reevaluate my post as it has changed beyond recognition over the years. My boss asked me to amend my job description to reflect what I do and she would take it from there.
It never happened. My boss has always been too busy to even read it. I recently got a better paid and more interesting job and so my post will be advertised soon.
I have to admit if it is advertised with my amended description and more money I will not be happy. But I'm not sure there is anything I can do about it.

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/05/2018 07:21

This sort of thing also happened to me. I pitched a job description to the M.D. of a non existent role. The company was wasting so much money due to poor management and I was offering a ton of solutions. Within 3 months of my leaving the company, I heard from my former colleagues that a woman was doing pretty much the exact job. And I bet she was paid far more than me. Not that I would have done the job for the money I was on. Arrogant bastards obviously didn’t want to admit to me they needed the role but thought it was a great idea.

followUs · 13/05/2018 08:00

"Arrogant bastards obviously didn’t want to admit to me they needed the role but thought it was a great idea."

Yeah. Definitely couldn't have been anything to do with your attitude. No way!

19lottie82 · 13/05/2018 08:04

God, please don’t ask for back pay. I’m cringing just thinking about it.

When you took the job you accepted a salary you were happy with. The new candidate negotiated a salary they were happy to accept.

That’s life. Not everyone gets paid the same for doing the same role. Negotiation at interview is usually the reason why.

19lottie82 · 13/05/2018 08:08

Apologies I read the OP incorrectly. Disregard my post!

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 13/05/2018 08:34

SandyY2K - it’s a large charity.
They have clearly delineated job specs for each level of role, and I’ve definitely been doing the job of the level above my grade.

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Juells · 13/05/2018 08:36

@followUs
"Arrogant bastards obviously didn’t want to admit to me they needed the role but thought it was a great idea."

Yeah. Definitely couldn't have been anything to do with your attitude. No way!

Woman! Know your place!

ThreeJoeys · 13/05/2018 08:48

MrsCharlesDarwin Then you should have asked for a pay raise before you resigned. You don't ask, you don't get. No need to resent whoever is taking over your job.

channingtatumspecs · 13/05/2018 08:51

I imagine that it's a bit of a blow to see this - when you resigned they could have offered you different terms and salary to keep you - did anything like that happen? If not then it's probably a mutual agreement that parting ways is the best thing all round.
In my experience they've also realized that to hire someone new to do the same role will mean a new person demanding higher salary from the outset - with you already in the role at your salary they had the best of both worlds but having realized what skills and experience are needed they know they'll have to pay more now
I don't think you'd have any leverage to demand back pay tbh you should just move on and forget about them

channingtatumspecs · 13/05/2018 08:58

Oh also I don't think you should or need to stay beyond your notice period - you're actually just doing them a favour plugging a gap while they recruit your replacement and there's no reason u should other than that you're obviously a nice person who wants to leave on good terms. I'm like you but now run a business in a place whew notice is 2 weeks and it always screws us over including when someone we valued waited til we went on vacation and used the office being closed over Xmas as his 2 weeks. It's dog eat dog and u should prob just say no sorry and leave after required notice period

topcat2014 · 13/05/2018 09:03

Salaries 'in job' always tend to fall behind market increases - thus they have to pay more to recruit to 'catch up'.

Bit shite, but true in my experience.

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 13/05/2018 13:46

I’ve only been in post for 6 months, they’ve just actually decided it’s a much harder job than they thought.
Still torn between leaving on 24 May (end of notice period) or staying for the extra 2 months (and asking for the increased rate )

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SandyY2K · 13/05/2018 14:13

I'm interested to know how they initially decided what grade it should be though.

If a manager wanted to do this, I would definetly advise that they changed the JD or the required qualifications or experience, because I would envisage the outgoing employee would see the advert and potentially raise a claim that they were underpaid.

Did the JD state that you would line manage staff?

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 13/05/2018 14:28

Ask for the increased rate and if they say no then leave on the original date.

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 14/05/2018 06:43

My JD didn't mention line managment. But I was asked about it in interview and then expected to do it in role.
The new JD mentions it, apart from that the JD is the same.

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WelcomeToGilead · 14/05/2018 06:50

OP, I don’t know why you’re taking this so personally.

You resigned because you couldn’t handle the pressure, so it was your decision to go, you weren’t pushed out of the door. So, they’re looking for slightly different qualities and maybe have recognised that line management skills are a more important skill that previously considered and have bumped up the salary to reflect that. They are looking for something different and are trying to attract people with management experience.

Would the extra 4K have persuaded you to stay?

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/05/2018 07:11

MrsCharlesDarwin

its not just the line management its the extra day as well.

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 14/05/2018 08:26

No, its the fact that I've been doing it anyway. And would have continued to be asked to do it unless I resigned. For less pay PRO RATA

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