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AIBU?

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Replacement for my job getting paid more

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 12/05/2018 18:20

I resigned from my job as it’s been really challenging as a role and also getting things done at home.
I was asked to stay on as a favour until the new replacement was found - will be about 3 months in all after the 1 month notice period.
I was on 3 days per week. I’ve now seen my job is being advertised as 4 days per week (they wanted to do full time but didn’t have budget) and on the next pay grade up (£4000 more pa).
The job description has not changed. Duties are the same.
They are asking for someone with line management and experience which they didn’t do when they recruited me, but I had to line manage anyway and hated it.
Aibu to either a) be pissed off and ask for backdated pay as at the rate they clearly think the role as well as the next 3 months to be paid at increased rate is, or b) be pissed off and ask for the increased pay going forward for the next 2 months o so, or c) just walk away?

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purplelila2 · 12/05/2018 19:18

Private sector where I work external candidates always get paid more than the person that's left the role or transferred internally. Where I work they call it 'market value' which is a load of shit and very unfair .

Your predicament isn't rare at all its normal practice.

I think you should pack it in and walk away.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 12/05/2018 19:22

I'd do c) as well. You may not think that you want a reference in future but never say never.

I'd also not challenge this because you may hear some things that you'd rather not. What I mean by this is that from a couple of things you've said in your post:

It's been a challenging role, and]
You line managed but you hated it.

Both of those things could indicate that whilst you might have been ok at these things, management has assessed the role requirements and decided that actually, they need somebody who is very comfortable with those tasks and activities because extra competence comes with that.

I don't mean to insult you in suggesting that, just that if you (home requirements set aside) wouldn't be given the opportunity of that job at the higher grade anyway, it's not worth a knock to your esteem.

If you are prepared to stay on for the two months to train the replacement though, I would ask for an ex gratia payment - and they should be able to do that without getting into a sticky situation.

What's your relationship like with your manager? Could you have a chat with them to find out what's what? It would be a shame for you to leave without some sort of gratitude for all that you've done - and for you to feel unappreciated to boot.

Juells · 12/05/2018 19:23

Does nobody read the OP? I have comprehension problems, but even I can see on the next pay grade up (£4000 more pa).

SparklyLeprechaun · 12/05/2018 19:25

Walk away. You were happy to work for the salary you were getting, nothing to do with you how much they pay your replacement. I earn more than people on the same grade as me, even than some people above my grade. They are paying me that because I wouldnt have joined otherwise. Nothing to do with anyone else.

flowery · 12/05/2018 19:26

They are asking for a level of experience you didn’t have and have obviously identified that they need to pay a bit more to attract suitable candidates. I don’t think you have any reason to be so cross about it, but if you no longer want to be helpful by staying longer then of course you should walk away, rather than stay and be resentful about it.

slippynips · 12/05/2018 19:31

I think this is fairly standard. My OH was made redundant, and in the last few weeks he had to train up new people in a different office to do his job, at a higher salary. Just shows how little some employers think of their staff.

Also often external candidates are paid more for a role than someone progressing through the company. Makes no sense to me either!

altiara · 12/05/2018 19:39

Maybe they just want someone more experienced.
A lot of companies have to pay more to attract the right talent to the company. This is why I love where I work, part of our job as a manager is to retain talent. We make sure everyone is paid fairly and salaries offered to new staff fit within the range everyone else is paid so we are fair to our current staff (that’s what we do in my department, can’t vouch for everyone else!)

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/05/2018 19:43

Juells
Does nobody read the OP? I have comprehension problems, but even I can see on the next pay grade up (£4000 more pa).

You missed 4 days instead of three and line management is now part of the contract with experience.

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 12/05/2018 20:37

They do want more experience clearly, but the job is the SAME and they were happy to keep me on the same terms until I told them - it’s way too much work.....

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arethereanyleftatall · 12/05/2018 20:46

On the other side of the fence - I'm about to go for a job interview, and should I get the job, I won't be doing it for the salary the current employee is getting. It won't be worth it financially for me to do so.
I think I'm the only interviewer, so I'll be negotiating a better salary, or walking away.

Juells · 12/05/2018 20:46

@BoneyBackJefferson

You missed 4 days instead of three and line management is now part of the contract with experience.

No, I didn't, but the new person will be on the higher pay grade, quite apart from the extra day.

NotTheFordType · 12/05/2018 21:31

They do want more experience clearly, but the job is the SAME and they were happy to keep me on the same terms until I told them

Yes, because advertising your rejigged role could lead to a tribunal.

Honestly, let it go.

Bridesmaidinchief · 12/05/2018 21:38

You can't ask for backdated pay unless they underpaid you according to what your contract said.

You can ask for a pay rise for the next couple of months but it's probably unlikely that they will agree since they have no incentive to keep you sweet.

Sounds like you've undervalued your own labour and should have asked for a pay rise a while ago - good learning curve for next time!

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/05/2018 22:15

Juells

So you think that extra day and responsibilities should be done for free?

Juells · 12/05/2018 22:37

No, I thought she was talking about the pay grade there'd be absolutely no logic in complaining that someone who worked more hours was being paid more. I'm assuming the OP is logical.

TalkFastThinkSlow · 12/05/2018 22:42

You don't have a right to be paid more, or the same, than your replacement. Some candidates are just worth more. I wouldn't bother asking for backdated pay, you're unlikely to get it.

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 12/05/2018 22:48

Should I ask for the new pay grade whilst I continue to work beyond my notice period to tide them over and then train the new person?
Or should I just say I’ve changed my mind and I’m leaving after my notice period?
Or just stay on the same pay and train up a new person to do my job for more money?

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Juells · 12/05/2018 22:51

Should I ask for the new pay grade whilst I continue to work beyond my notice period to tide them over and then train the new person?

I think that's reasonable. And if they say no then it won't be convenient...

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 12/05/2018 22:53

Thanks for the advice.
So pleased I’m going, this was an impossible job, so hopefully they’ve made conditions more possible for the next person.

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mirren3 · 12/05/2018 23:04

Seriously I'd apply as PP said, and use the extra pay to get help in your home (if that is what you need time for). Then I'd resign later with the better C.V...but that's me!

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MrsCharlesDarwin · 12/05/2018 23:13

Eh, quit my job and then reapply for it?
Even if I wanted to work, they are unlikely to hire someone that flakey!

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blueshoes · 12/05/2018 23:26

You resigned. They did not boot you out. Maybe they were planning to put you on a higher grade or if you asked for a higher grade/pay and maybe if you did, they would have given it to you. That is all water under the bridge now. I am afraid you have to let it go.

Would you do the job at the higher grade, even though you say it is impossible? It is not unreasonable to ask for additional wage beyond your notice period but backdated pay is not going to fly.

I am performing over and above my hours and initial experience because the job has grown a lot due to external factors. I am not paid more and if I felt I deserved it is up to me to ask for a rise. If I don't I can take my increased experience and responsibility to work for another employer at a higher seniority/pay. The fact that I was allowed to grow in my current role is in itself a great opportunity. You should also see it this way, in terms of getting line management experience.

unintentionalthreadkiller · 12/05/2018 23:30

That's life isn't it? New recruits will often be on a higher salary due to market conditions. Staying in the same place doesn't often get you the same value.

SandyY2K · 12/05/2018 23:33

Is this public or private sector?

Does your company use the job evaluation method in determining the grade of a role?

Gemini69 · 12/05/2018 23:36

Option C

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