To think DD didn't need to have suncream on?

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I just dropped DD off at nursery. It's 12 degrees and sunny with clouds. DD has very sallow skin and I would never have put sun cream on her on a day like today. I used to be deficient in vitamin D myself and know that it's important to be exposed to a degree of sunlight.

Nursery have just pulled me up for dropping her off without suncream on.

I should add that I have provided a bottle of suncream to the nursery which they apply as & when required so if today was to get much warmer, they have her suncream there.

Anyone?

I agree, sun cream on a day like today is just OTT.

Yeah, I am not putting suncream on today either. I don't think it's neglectful.

I think YANBU, and I say that as the ginger mother of a pale-skinned daughter! The conditions you describe don't seem to warrant the need for suncream at the moment, and if they're happy to put it on her if it gets hot then I can't see the problem.

YANBU. I never put sun cream on until after 10am anyway.

ffs,did no one listen at schoo l? air temperature has no relation to uv strength, do you think the sun moves closer on a hot day?

5 weeks to northern hemisphere peak uv.

I don’t put suncream on my kids for school at all.

Special subject

How do we find out daily uv strengths?

And no one taught me anything about it at school!!

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How do we find out daily uv strengths?
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And no one taught me anything about it at school!

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Ha, no, when I was a child we never wore sunscreen nevermind having lessons about it in school.

Given that is drizzling and has been all morning I doubt my child will be getting much exposure today

@specialsubject but time of day does, the sun is less strong at 9 in the morning than midday
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"The UV intensity varies with only one parameter, the atmospheric depth crossed by the rays, and that is because the rays are attenuated by the atmosphere. If you start with a 1000 UV rays, . The minimum depth, approximately 6 miles if the atmosphere were all the same thickness as at sea level, is when the Sun is directly overhead. When the Sun is at 45 degrees from the vertical, you get 8.5 miles of atmospheric attenuation and very little UV (it depends on the wavelength, but 5-100 times less). For example, 320 nm UV has a half length of a little over one mile, and the 2.5 extra miles will reduce the intensity by about a factor of seven.
When the Sun is at more than 57 degrees from the vertical (say, Michigan in winter), our government says that you can not get enough Vitamin D from the Sun even if you spend the day outside naked. So all that time spent in the garden at sunset does nothing for your Vitamin D, no matter the latitude. Being near water may double your exposure, and cloud cover matters. Pollution matters the most, so that, say, in Bangkok you will get ten times less UV than in Hawaii, even though you are at the same latitude."

Are you always this charming specialsubject? (no need to answer that)

Oddly, most of us aren't taught about UV strengths in school .

Regardless OP I think it's OTT too. Lots of vitamin D deficiencies at the moment, especially affecting darker skinned people. So my basic knowledge of science would suggest that it's vital to get some sun exposure.
I'm also sallow and rarely burn, will wear sun protection when it's really hot but not 20 degrees and under.

If a child has the type of skin to burn within 10-15 minutes, and outdoor play will be for a longer time, I'd definitely go for sun cream. Vit D levels can be boosted in other ways. I have fair skin and have burned on a cloudy British day before (forgot to pack sun cream on a trip and was outside for a couple of hours). When I was growing up no-one wore sun cream, but times have changed.

Someone I knew died young from skin cancer, even though they hadn't spent more time in the sun than average. I also know of people who've been low in Vit D - but so far no-one who's died from it.

You can find the uv index online
www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/uv-index-forecast/#?tab=map&map=MaxUVIndex&zoom=5&lon=-4.00&lat=55.71&fcTime=1525986000
If it’s above 3, then the nursery puts sunscreen on.

And that's why rickets is coming back.

Sorry may be being daft here but how did they know where or not the child had suncream on?

If a child has the type of skin to burn within 10-15 minutes, and outdoor play will be for a longer time, I'd definitely go for sun cream

Her skin is sallow. I'm a pale redhead so I'd understand the nursery being cautious with someone with my colouring but DD's skin is much darker than mine, like my husbands.

Personally I would put it on today. The sun is strongest here at the end of June (longest day) - so today the sun will be as strong as in mid August despite not feeling nearly as risky. The temperature definitely confuses things! 11-3 are the main hours they need protection.

And it's true that none of us wore sunscreen at school, but it is also true that I got a malignant melanoma aged 13, so this isn't necessarily a sign that sunscreen isn't needed. Obviously this makes me very paranoid alert on this topic!

DD's nursery is a bit funny about putting sunscreen on them, so I get that 8 hour stuff from Boots and put it on in the morning. Note that the research on how long that stuff actually lasts for is not great, so I wouldn't trust it to be really effective 8 hours later - but if you put on factor 50 at 9am it should still be effective enough by lunch break to give decent protection for the UK I think. I wouldn't trust it to last all day in a country closer to the equator! Normal suncream is only effective for a couple of hours before it needs reapplying.

I would try to avoid putting it on until you get to school if you can, to try to take advantage of the sunlight for vitamin D benefits on the way there at least! It's a difficult balancing act, and a lot depends on your child's skin and how prone to burning they are.

The met office website gives the range of UV levels for the day for the area you're in. Haven't got time right now to find and link to it but a quick search should show you.

Sorry may be being daft here but how did they know where or not the child had suncream on?

They asked me, they've asked most days lately but today is much cooler/cloudier so I just assumed it wouldn't be required this morning.

Passive aggressive queen

That looks like good information

If I could understand it! 😂

Sent mine in just like yours - no cream on (was 8 in the morning and not warm enough to warrant being outside, even less outside with skin showing!) but cream provided if warms enough to allow outside play without cardigan on. Hat always provided though. Nursery fine with it. Think yours are being a bit OTT.

And I am pale enough (milk bottles look tanned in comparison) that I burn on cloudy days in the autumn!)

You don't need to put suncream on a kid every time they go out in daylight from May onwards. They are not vampires!

Have you checked the UV levels? Ours is high today despite being cold!

I understand that sun exposure can cause cancers but surely the human body was (for the most part) build to endure some degree of sunlight. It just seems crazy to me that suncream has to be used in today's conditions.