To think DD didn't need to have suncream on?

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I just dropped DD off at nursery. It's 12 degrees and sunny with clouds. DD has very sallow skin and I would never have put sun cream on her on a day like today. I used to be deficient in vitamin D myself and know that it's important to be exposed to a degree of sunlight.

Nursery have just pulled me up for dropping her off without suncream on.

I should add that I have provided a bottle of suncream to the nursery which they apply as & when required so if today was to get much warmer, they have her suncream there.

@branleuse www.svd.se/studie-skippa-solkramen--solen-ar-nyttig-for-dig/i/utvalt/om/solfaktorn

And you wonder why rickets is on the rise ....

thankyou, i'll try and work out how to translate that in a bit ;)

Sallow means olive skinned.

I have got 2 coats, a hat and gloves on today.

^^

There's always one.

Some good points about uv index here and made me think I should put it in my boy more often. I’ve noticed he’s getting brown hands, presumably from cool sunny days when only hands and face out. But I still don’t be putting on before childminders - we leave at 7.15 in our coats.

Edit to say he did have it on later today

Sallow skin means sunken

Found an article in English from 2014 when the study was done www.thelocal.se/20140409/sunbathing-can-save-womens-lives-swedish-study @branleuse 😃

I’m curious about the sallow skin thing. My Irish relatives complement DD2’s ‘sallow complexion’. I’d always thought it meant ill-looking. Are there parts of the UK where sallow means ‘will tan’ as well as Ireland?

Don’t know if this will work

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I keep returning to this page - www.skincancer.org/prevention/uva-and-uvb

The different wavelengths of UV penetrate differently. I remember being told UV does not penetrate glass, but here it says that UVA can. So you could be affected sitting by a window. However as UVA is the tanning ray, you would know wouldn't you, as you would start tanning?

I tend to rely on caps and hats and long sleeves etc - can't stand the creams, which irritate and melt off in no time anyway.

I work in a nursery. Management check the UV levels online each day and we apply suncream accordingly. We regularly have to apply suncream on days that I'd never even think to put it on my own children, even back when they were babies. But then I also like to let my children have some time in the sun without suncream anyway so maybe I'm a little relaxed? They've never had sunburn either way.

Exposure to sunlight as a child is believed to help prevent MS. Particularly if the child has dark skin. Vitamin D is also important for calcium deficiency. YANBU.

Also do you mean swarthy skin?

“I was in Ireland myself last summer and got a mighty sunburn on me - the day was sunny but with some clouds (hello, Ireland) but I wasn't hot at all, there was a good breeze.”

As has been said earlier in the thread, it’s not to do with temperature. BUT to your point about the wind. You are MORE likely to get burnt on a windy day. Not really for the reasons put forward by an earlier poster who suggested that the wind masks the intensity of the sun. But because the wind effects the lipids in the surface of the skin, making it easier to burn.

Agree that “sallow” is not a word you should use to describe anyone, unless you really dislike them or are worried about their health!

Exposure to sunlight as a child is believed to help prevent MS.

Bollocks. Utter bollocks. I have MS, it was triggered by pregnancy, fuck all to do with being in the sun as a child, which I was a lot.

DeadGood thanks for info about wind/skin lipids, that's really interesting. It was one of those days where I slapped on a bit of sunscreen in the morning and found myself out in the sun longer than I planned and no sunscreen with me to reapply ... thus, a burn.

There is actually research that links MS with exposure to sun. It is not the ONLY causal factor, but it is believed to be one of them.
I think lack of Vitamin D is not taken seriously enough. It is linked to lots of serious illnesses, and supplements are not that effective.
Of course burning is not good, but children and adults do need some exposure to the sun. We seem to have gone from one extreme to the other.

links MS with exposure to sun.

You mean links MS with lack of vitamin D.

supplements are not that effective.

Not true. I think all the MS specialists I've met over the years know better.

children and adults do need some exposure to the sun.

They need vitamin D. Which can be obtained quite safely through supplements, without risking skin cancer

Please stop stating untruths, it's dangerous.

Well said zipping. Those of us advocating sun screen are also advocating vitamin D supplements. No-one is denying the importance of vitamin D we are just suggesting you should get it from another source. We are at a higher risk from sun exposure these days because of the damage to the ozone layer.

MS Society itself says that there is a link between MS and lack of Vitamin D. It is not THE cause, because like many illnesses there are a host of causal factors.

www.mstrust.org.uk/a-z/vitamin-d

There is lots of research at the moment on Vitamin D supplements and how effective they are. One such study -
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318266.php

The UV index is really complex to work out in fact...and has a lot to do with the clarity of the air. Happily the met office do all the hard work for you!

Where I am we have 5 at the moment peaking at 6 over the period the sun is highest (1pm now we are on BST).

I know that personally if the UV index is 3/4 I need suncream if I'm out longer than 40 mins...for 5/6 its more like 10 mins. I only go out creamless when its less than 3.

I am a redhead though!

My DD, like the OPs DD is much darker skinned than me...she still needs suncream for anything over 3 though.

^ Yes. vitamin D not sun exposure

You said 'There is actually research that links MS with exposure to sun' I said that was not true and that it was vitamin D