To think DD didn't need to have suncream on?

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I just dropped DD off at nursery. It's 12 degrees and sunny with clouds. DD has very sallow skin and I would never have put sun cream on her on a day like today. I used to be deficient in vitamin D myself and know that it's important to be exposed to a degree of sunlight.

Nursery have just pulled me up for dropping her off without suncream on.

I should add that I have provided a bottle of suncream to the nursery which they apply as & when required so if today was to get much warmer, they have her suncream there.

ps point taken, I never took it to mean unhealthy looking. I stand corrected. My skin is therefore not sallow but olive.

Yup, Oxford agrees that sallow is unhealthy.

I work in a nursery, we have to ask for sun ream for UV index 3 and above.

There was a thread very similar to this a couple of weeks ago. I only learnt then about uv rays having nothing to do with temperature hopefully they teach this at school now.

Having had a loved one with skin cancer I would rather me and my children took a vitamin D supplement and wore sun cream. Even one burn can increase risk of cancer and 5 burns in a lifetime can increase risk by up to 80% a tan is also a sign of damage. My children have inherited their dad's darker skin but I still put cream on them and they have some at school for topping up at lunchtime. He also wears cream despite having dark middle eastern skin.

Oh and just to add the ozone layer has been damaged since humans first existed and even since our parents were young so it doesnt matter what used to be ok and what didn't hurt them. We are in more danger from the sun now than ever.

I've not put suncream on mine today. (Sunny spells, cool breeze) They're unlikely to be running around for long without their arms covered because of the temperature/ wind.

I probably will for my run later because I'll have a lot more skin exposed, will be out for a longer time than their time outside over lunch time and it will be freshly applied rather than nearing the end of that application's useful life.

The few occasions I have burned have been days when the intensity of the sun has been masked by a cool breeze, but I've been active so have been exposed for a prolonged period. (Higher factor suncreams are mainstream now anyway)

There is a blurred, large and personal middle ground between excessive levels of sun protection and recklessness.

I used to be deficient in vitamin D myself and know that it's important to be exposed to a degree of sunlight.

Just give a supplement then! Unlikely you would get enough from sunlight anyway.

Branleuse you're supposed to put it on thick, and you're not supposed to rub it in. How do I avoid virtue signalling?

How would they know if you’d put sunscreen on her? I never put it on DD before daycare, but I know daycare have their own so they apply it rigorously if they take the kids outside, and even if I did apply it, I don’t expect they take kids outside as soon as you drop them off so even if there’s a 2hr gap surely they’d have to re-apply it anyway?

I'm shocked at the amount of people that don't know that UV is not directly linked to temperature!

I would put sunscreen on for anything 3 or over on myself, nevermind a child.

health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/heart/articles/2008/06/23/time-in-the-sun-how-much-is-needed-for-vitamin-d

I dont know, but I dont see many adults with massive smears of white suncream across their faces unless theyre skiing. I dont think its a bad thing. I just find it a bit over the top

Maybe the adults aren't wearing suncream.

i dont know. My friend has to wear sunscreen all year round because of sensitive skin that burns even when its cloudy - I have never seen her with smears on her face.
I wear sunscreen on my face on hot sunny days, but it never shows.

Anyway, i dont think its a big deal. I just do sometimes wonder if its overdone a bit just to show how good a parent you are, and I cant help thinking that it must feel gross on the skin

In our school we leave it up to parents of children in the infants to apply sunscreen at home before they come in.

If school staff were expected to apply it, the children would never get out to play and the staff wouldn’t get a break.

but i also have sensory issues, i must admit, so i do understand my kids fighting against it and disliking anything on their skin

I agree with you, OP.

I have got 2 coats, a hat and gloves on today. My skin isn't even visible to the sun as it's too cold.

I have got 2 coats, a hat and gloves on today.

I read an article today in a Swedish newspaper about a Swedish study on 30 000 women re: being in the sun. To summarise:

The study concluded, somewhat provocatively, that "not sunning is as dangerous as smoking". Too little sun increases our risk of certain cardiovascular ailments, certain autoimmunity diseases, diabetes, MS. Too much increases the risk of skin cancer, too little the above. How much sun you can take is very individual, but generally speaking - if you're slathering yourself in suncream so you can stay in the sun you're overdoing it. Sit in the sun every day for a little while. It's normal to be a teensy bit red, that doesn't necessarily mean you're burnt. It means get in the shade and out of the sun. The interviewed doctor is, VERY provocatively!, completely against sun cream which in his opinion just creates a false sense of security and means we don't know when to get out of the sun. He claims that no studies have shown that suncream + long exposure means less risk of skin cancer, the exposure is still there.

Also he says that a lot of guidelines were copied from Australia, where the sun is strong all year, and when they checked with Swedish stats we had one day of similar sun in 2014 for example, so we can't use the same guidelines. Guidelines have been updated here since.

I thought this was very interesting! Suspect it'll lead to a lot of people thinking sunscreen = cancer though

do you have a link for that @banivani

Just give a supplement then! Unlikely you would get enough from sunlight anyway.

Sunlight is the primary source of Vitamin D.

^Things were different then. Ozone layer, global warming.

It makes no sense to not supplement.

Supplements means you get enough vitamin D without the skin cancer risk, it's common sense not rocket science.

I work in a private nursery that recomends we put on suncream if the uv is 3 or above. I've always just stick to this at home aswell. I check the uv before school and apply an all day suncream

I would just like to say that even if you don't get burned you are still exposed to uv rays if the uv index is three and above you really should use suncream (unless you aren't going outside) uv rays can go through clouds and to some degree fabric (it is estimated that a regular parasol stop app 50% uv rays)

There have also been case of people who drive a lot (e.g. Truckers) have a High risk of skin cancer on the side that is in the Sun all day eventhough they have the window up and don't get burned

In the summer, people over the age of 5 should, on the whole, be able to get sufficient vitamin d from natural sunshine alone and shouldn't need supplements on top.

In the winter they won't get enough from natural sunlight in the U.K.

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Summerhealth/Pages/vitamin-D-sunlight.aspx