Influencer ethics on Instagram

[MadameGrizzly]

Continuing the discussion on whether influencing on Instagram is an ethical business model, particularly around the disclosure of advertising and the over exposure of children.

AIBU to think it isn't a sustainable career unless the influencer is scrupulously ethical?

Hi clemmie in just curious to know if you feel that branding mumsnet users as bullies was wise? I use Insta and mumsnet but prefer mumsnet because I can engage in educational and intellectual debate ance discussion. I have also found it a very supportive community.

I would spend more time reading if I spent less time faffing around on the internet tbh. I love reading and wish I did more of it.

Sorry you feel like that jamon - I am just putting in context why it is not possible for me to read as much as you and stating how I feel.

Jam I wasn't making snippy comments about reading. I have a DD who is a bad sleeper. I read a lot for work. I said I thought the secret to reading a book a week was childcare, because that enables me to read. Nothing more was intended by what I said.

I was upfront in saying I didn't think the book review was very good.

@anyalovesrose I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the Hadley Freeman article in the Guardian?

And also to ask what you felt the actual point of Natasha's #dearmumsnet campaign was, since it all seemed a bit vague and you had the chance to take a thread and didn't?

I don't think Gobbolino was bashing anyone Jam. This is a daft dispute.

Do you ever consider why people 'target' you? Is it because you don't respond to constructively to criticism? You can't just keep calling people 'mean'. You are a grown woman who is running a successful business off the back of blogging/IGing.

I agree with that analysis and those queries. The way it appears to me (at least) is that your position is that everything you do or post is 100% right, 100% of the time and anyone who disagrees with that, must have an agenda or be a "bully". Therefore there is no room for substantive discussion and people are either for or against you.

MP appears to have a much more thoughtful and insightful approach (example being the discussions yesterday about the wording of some
of her posts) and is able to take a more nuanced position where every comment isn't a personal attack on her. I can't imagine what it would like to be an instagrammer as I value my privacy highly and it would be my worst nightmare. But I would think MP's approach would hopefully be much less engulfing and unpleasant.

Sorry going through tunnels lots of things to reply to.

Yes someone from mumsnet was at an event I attended at the height of the first thread and came and spoke to me and asked if I wanted them taken down.

I get a gist that there are new threads based on the dms I get eg ‘hi Clemmie I’m shocked/saddened/angers by these threads on mimsnet’ Then people discuss them on stories and tag me in them. I’m not stupid I know when it’s all kicked off again.

Sorry misread the childcare senstence. I read the majority of books on my commute or in bed at night. It’s not a book club I’m simply sharing booms I’ve read over the past year and would love to talk to others who have read that particular book too.

WRT to NB story I heard about it 3rd hand from a friend of mine who lives in brighton I honestly don’t know anything about it before that nor followed he person and can’t really comment any more.

Inclusivity - that’s a good question. Both platforms are so different and I can see how supportive mumsnet can be for those who don’t have it offline. I don’t see how for eg me sharing a book I’ve read with my following and opening up discussion is any different to someone started a thread about it on here. So there are parts when they both are very similar perhaps?

Bemused. MN asked you if you wanted the threads taken down and you said no and then complained about there being no moderation on MN?, or they asked after you said there was no moderation and you still declined their offer?? That makes no sense.

Ps. Can any 'celeb' have threads removed if it is true they offered that? Pfffffftttt.

And you supported NB knowing nothing about her previously? How unwise.

Hi clemmie

Been lurking on these threads.

How can you claim to be ‘fiercely protective’ of your children when you don’t mind your husband publishing a photo of one of them on the toilet to the whole world? The poor girls have no privacy.

@Neverwas

After the threads were written - actually it might have been as they were still going. I naively thought that, that would be the end of the topic and since then I believe there have been many more. Maybe I’ll contact them and ask them to be taken down?

@NeverWas I actually think some celebs do have threads about them removed. Not many, but some do.

MOD's response has just confirmed to me that NB's 'campaign' was nothing more that another bandwagon for NB to hitch a ride on. And it wasn't even her campaign

You could make an official right to be forgotten request I guess. But I don't think it would meet the criteria if you just didn't like the opinions being expressed. The only way to have a thread removed would be for MN to make that call.

BTW the 2 threads deleted that I saw were due to a) sock puppetry and b) the post which made reference to the trans issue (person who posted IP numbers on twitter) which MN appeared to infer was too inflammatory. There were some close to the knuckle posts on another thread but these were called out by other posters and the thread is still there (with a few individual posts removed)

@Neverwas

I stayed following NB at the end of last summer I think it was the mouse stories that someone shared and she made me laugh.

I do believe what NB is saying and asking mumsnet to do is an important message and as someone who is often named in these threads I fully supported it

What is she asking MN to do? I'm still none the wiser tbh as the rationale seems to shift every time she mentions it

@anylovesrose

It seems that the whole NB thing was badly thought out. 1) you supported her having not known about her before and the horrible way she bullied AP when she was ill and 2) Did you tell her that MN had offered to remove the threads about you? Because that was the whole point of her insta stories the other day.

It just makes the whole situation laughable, sadly.

I haven’t posted many pics of my older children for a while now, and I do think there are ways of discussing motherhood without showing too many pics of them many bloggers do this well.

The potty photo for eg was one I wasn’t happy with him posting I felt it crossed the line.

Sorry just seen your last reply re following her from last summer

The potty photo made my jaw drop, tbh. If there is anyone you should be asking to take posts down, its him.

In my case the focus is not MoD - I have never followed her. I don’t follow people with more than two children generally - so it’s not about you/her personally. I’m interested in advertising, ethics of using children/real life to sell things, and instagram’s effect on how people perceive themselves (perfect lives etc). I don’t think anything I’ve said would constitute ‘bullying’ in a court of law - as a teacher, I’m quite aware of its nuances. It is unhelpful to dismiss all discussion and criticism as bullying or ‘meaness’, in my opinion. I’d have this conversation with my real name - nothing I’ve said about instagram needs my anonymity to hide behind.

Mn would be unwise to take down threads if not against guidelines. As much as we’re probably just fodder and collaboration feels more interesting , you’ve got to stick to your own rules

It always ends up getting worse - more threads, more frustration, using other outlets. Not sure if they rue what led to reddit or are glad of the extra chat

They did say that’s enough at one point which of course kept the threads going even longer

The only element I’m interested in is children’s right to privacy. So yes interested in response re Hadley Freeman’s article