Influencer ethics on Instagram

[MadameGrizzly]

Continuing the discussion on whether influencing on Instagram is an ethical business model, particularly around the disclosure of advertising and the over exposure of children.

AIBU to think it isn't a sustainable career unless the influencer is scrupulously ethical?

anyone who is that fragile about criticism, probably should re-think pursuing a career within social media. It's an environment where it pays to have a thicker skin. No different to someone who is squeamish not going into nursing.

I was just thinking of that analogy, nipers.

All this shit about if it was your child they would be disciplined! Actually, I think it would be more worthwhile to educate the children on what bullying actually is. I would also be encouraging my children to disagree if that’s what they felt, healthy discussion, freedom of speech and all that. It’s also so important not to lump every group together, ‘all mumsnetters are bullies’ seems to be the message being out across.

Couldn't be arsed to watch all NB's stories. She's an absolute joke. I think MN should stop giving her the oxygen of publicity tbh. I bet the views on her latest story are off the chart.

As the Oscar Wilde quote says:

There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about

If we ignore her, she'll get bored and find another bandwagon to leap on.

The reply from mumsnet wasn’t exactly what she wanted so she’s bitching about it. I know conversation goes this way often with Natasha but I think someone far more likely to kill themselves after seeing something online would be a friend with severe mental health issues who then saw mocking pics and hashtags about themselves.

So who is moderating Instagram then?

Whilst they call for moderation here.... who is watching them?

@RunMummyRun68 they moderate themselves. Anything even vaguely negative is swiftly deleted and the person blocked

And there's plenty of self moderation here. I don't see anyone doing that on IG. Just adoration.

Agree with Pavlova. As much as the prompt is to respond it’s not worth reacting to. It will blow away and NB will focus on other hashtags / teabag freebies

Pavlova - I ageee NB should just be ignored.

NB has gained approximately 4000 followers since beginning her 'campaign' so she has achieved her underlying aim. (And it wasn't about eradicating bullying.)

I think the posts that were quoted earlier as not being erudite enough, were quite clever quips alongside the reasoned discussion.

Would MN even be MN without the quips?

I've followed all of these Instamum threads... they've been so very eye opening for me. I've unfollowed many people on IG because they were making me bad about myself. I've learned about the freebies, the gifts, the paid posts etc. So, if nothing else, us mere plebs can now be influenced WITH this knowledge, if we choose to be.

I'm really so sad that the whole population of MN have been accused of bullying. There are elements of twattish behaviour all over the Internet, but for the best part, this is a bloody good place.
This seems to be fuelled by the bitching on IG and the failure of most of the instamums to take a look at the whole situation objectively.

The main questions about using children and security are still being ignored, even when directly asked. (MP, You are bloody brilliant....love your honesty, and i completely stand you aside from my comments.)

I agree with @MadameGrizzly and others. Mumsnet wouldn't be Mumsnet without the quips and the snark.

We don't need to be all earnest and self-righteous on here, I don't think. It's partly why I enjoy MN so much.

Grizzly - really 4K more followers! Well then it was worth it to her. I hope she treats them, if they've had a bad time elsewhere/feel bullied etc.

Treats them well...

As somebody said earlier in the thread, why hasn't any 'mama' IGER taken issue with Hadley Freeman's article? She clearly expressed her distain for people using their kids to make money on SM.

Glosswitch wrote a good article about MN if anyone's interested. Some of it talks about what we've been speaking about here (but it's largely about something else):

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/05/demonisation-mumsnet-just-latest-incarnation-witch-hunting?amp&twitterimpression=true

Yes good article Pavlova. As I said on another thread, I consider, in some ways to have more in common with a man of my class than a woman of another class. I don't appreciate the posh instamums telling me what's funny or bullying etc. I don't see things the same way as many of them do. Just because I've given birth doesn't mean I feel in a 'tribe' with them. I see many of them as connected, privileged middle class women who are lacking in humour and are unself aware. I don't mind Susie V's sharp tongue - she's a geezabird - I get that.

Sorry what I was trying to say was that I actually find the humour on MN quite laddy - bants. we slated each other daily at the comprehensive I went to. We didn't call each other hun.

As someone who has been criticised for engaging here and - despite an equal number of positive comments - also criticised on here, I’m an Inbetweener so to speak. Double minus equals a plus. One of the big issues is Instagram was, I believe, built on whimsy and escapism. It was where people initially came to escape the parental fug at times. For a short while - before brands started lapping up the high engagement and staggering conversion rates - it was an organic place to check out for a bit. (Probably didn’t need that summary but just setting the stall.) The challenging of ad transparency is a no brainer and something I still think the ASA is woefully behind on. But what’s the end goal I suppose? I’m here (on MN) because most of you are there (on Instagram) and on a larger scale I feel dispirited with the media hunger for divide: slummy mummies vs yummy mummies; bottle feeders vs boob feeders; insta mums vs Mumsnetters. The answer isn’t “be kind, always” and robust chat is essential but is clear divide the answer? Isn’t divide simply fuelling the age-old “mummy wars” chat that detracts from bigger issues at play - like my face being eased onto an all-white middle class Hello Magazine Star Mum judging panel? (That thread only rumbled for a day and could have really challenged archaic thinking all round if it had picked up pace - glad it didn’t on a personal level but I was surprised). Many Mumsnetters behind the scenes helped me navigate my way through that mess - and definite flaws in our campaign. I’ve also been invited by another Mumsnetter to speak at her Sixth Form to ensure young adults are aware of flexible working from the start. I don’t know who started ‘it’ but I hope ‘it’, the bigger divide, ends some day. I’m yet to read “Dads slammed by angry Buzzfeeders”

How do you suggest bridging the divide MP? How do you suggest interacting with such patently ridiculous behaviour as NB's?

Personally, I think it's absolutely fine and normal for there to be a "divide" in the critical thinking and general approach of different women. We are not one homogenous mass. If the media highlight a schism in a way that seems discriminatory, the correct approach is to determine how those discriminatory attitudes can be addressed. Not for women to modify their behaviour

Frankly most males wouldn't give a crap if buzzfeed said they were falling out or disagreeing or held different opinions. Nor should women in my view