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We’re all going on a WITCH HUNT! We’re not scared ...we persist. (Trump cont.)

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TheClaws · 08/05/2018 04:35

In response to one of Trump’s incoherent WITCH HUNT! tweets in the last 12 hours, Rep. Adam Schiff sent this:

Adam Schiff @RepAdamSchiff 12 hrs
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Adam Schiff Retweeted Donald J. Trump

Given all the secret meetings with the Russians, the denials, the false statements, and the guilty pleas, your attacks on the Republican, respected, decorated, Vietnam Veteran running the investigation could not be more false, or transparent.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3231026-Trumpwatch-Courage-Calls-to-Courage-Everywhere

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Gumpendorf · 09/05/2018 08:12

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/newly-exposed-payments-to-trump-confidant-cohen-add-depth-to-case-1228799043528

Rachel is illuminating but also I'm seeing some disbelief.

Joyce Vance's comments about these documents being in public domain also make me pause.

I'm assuming if Avenatti was peeing all over the federal investigation, they would have means to stop him?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 08:24

I read a speculative thread about where he might have got his information from - will dig it out

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 08:29

Is This How Avenatti Found Out?
talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/is-this-how-avenatti-found-out

Gumpendorf · 09/05/2018 08:39

Interesting, Pain. Thanks, it does make sense and explains why Avenatti was asking Treasury to publish the SARs in the O'Donnell interview. Clearly, the NYT and CBS have seen and verified the documents.

Rachel has previously explained about being sent many false documents, and having watched the movie 'Truth' (about the Bush sting that destroyed Dan Rather's career) and the attempted countersting against WaPo in the Moore reporting, I can understand the caution.

PerkingFaintly · 09/05/2018 10:49

Mm, well, this is all very febrile, isn't it?

A couple of thoughts after looking through those links.

  1. The statement from Columbus Nova (Viktor Vekselberg-related company which paid $500,000 to Cohen's company), includes the following: "After the inauguration, the firm hired Michael Cohen as a business consultant regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures."

So as we said previously, Sean Hannity's claim that he talked to Cohen about real estate digs Hannity a big ol' hole.

  1. Echoing everyone else, where the heck did Avenatti get those docs and what the heck is going on?

Avenatti is staging reveals night-by-night, like a film script. His access to just the right documents has a whiff of the true-but-selective material being leaked to eg New York Times before the election to smear Hillary. And he was using the same language as recent Republican attention-seeking dramatics, eg "The American people demand the Dept of Justice release these SARs that are confidential in the first place, and now part of an active investigation. "

Maybe he's just playing the Trumpers at their own game, and doing it well. Looking at his Wikipedia page he has the experience and connections without needing a foreign power as a sugar daddy (unlike Cohen and many talentless Trump appointees).

But I'm going to try not to get too drawn in to the Stormy theatrics – even though the material seems both important and substantive, unlike the speculative FUD of "Hillary! emails!" – and to continue keeping an eye on all the other shit that's going down.

Hard, when there's so much of it...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 10:57

I don't know if you've seen "This is America" by Childish Gambino but that's what keeps popping into my head now when there are so many egregious things happening.

Look past the slightly deranged protagonist and don't miss what's happening in the background, like this:

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/judge-oks-russian-hackers-request-for-70-years-of-us-intel-1228814403611?playlist=associated

PerkingFaintly · 09/05/2018 11:20

Yes, I'm about to watch that one about the Russian hackers. That's the sort of stuff I have in mind, that's easily crowded out by Stormy stuff (important though the financial revelations are).

TBF, I can see that Avenatti (and whoever's getting him docs) may be trying to get serious material in front of as many people as possible, including those who revel in similar showmanship by Trump. So playing the same game might be justified.

PerkingFaintly · 09/05/2018 11:22

Ie "same game" wrt to showmanship, not wrt being a crook!

Sorry, I'm just wurbling out loud.Blush

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 12:18

Not wurbling (lovely word Grin) at all!

I saw avenatti say (can’t remember where) that he would carry on with the tv appearances etc because it was working, and that it demonstrated how far ahead of trump and co they were that people believed they were credible and were contacting him with information of their own.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 12:23

Taniel
@Taniel
Huge news tonight in Charlotte, NC: Sheriff Irwin Carmichael—who partners with ICE in the 287(g) program that results in the deportation of people arrested by local law enforcement—has very resoundingly lost to Gerry McFadden, who has said he will leave the 287(g) program.

Read more about the consequences of Charlotte's participation in the 287(g) program, via this campaign to end Mecklenburg County's involvement: (link: www.lssp.org/its-time-to-end-287g/ )

Sheriff Carmichael, who got just around 20% today (!), was odious for all sorts of other reasons reviewed by @jduffyrice this morning: (link: injusticetoday.com/we-can-make-him-disappear-the-power-of-county-sheriffs-b27de57061e4 )

PerkingFaintly · 09/05/2018 13:10

people believed they were credible and were contacting him with information of their own.

That does sound very plausible.

Wow, yes, that's huge for Charlotte, NC.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 13:46

I missed this bit re: the payments to Cohen from Russian oligarchs

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daniels-lawyer-cohen-got-500k-russian-oligarch-viktor-vekselberg-n872481

A review of public election filings shows that the CEO of Columbus Nova, Andrew Intrater, made several political donations over the past two years.

According to public record filings he donated $29,600 to the Republican National Committee in June 2017, $35,000 to the Trump Victory PAC the same month, and then $250,000 to the Trump Inauguration Fund. Columbus Nova has also registered many alt-right internet domains, though the domains return an error message.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/05/2018 13:52

Sick buckets at the ready (this is the distracting stuff that isn't important but sharing is caring and all that):

Porn star Stormy Daniels says Trump’s hair ‘fluffed around like a cockatoo’ when he had sex

metro.co.uk/2018/05/09/porn-star-stormy-daniels-says-trumps-hair-fluffed-around-like-cockatoo-sex-7531813/

TheNorthWestPawsage · 09/05/2018 14:08

Just seen that NK has released 3 US prisoners.

North Korea releases 3 American prisoners in apparent goodwill gesture ahead of a planned summit between Trump and Kim
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/asia_pacific/pompeo-north-korea-can-haverichly-deserved-opportunities-in-return-for-peace/2018/05/09/b51febfa-51a4-11e8-b00a-17f9fda3859b_story.html

lionheart · 09/05/2018 14:19

Oh god Pain. Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 09/05/2018 14:28

Will those prisoners show enough gratitude?

Natsku · 09/05/2018 15:16

Porn star Stormy Daniels says Trump’s hair ‘fluffed around like a cockatoo’ when he had sex

Eww. Eww eww eww.

lionheart · 09/05/2018 15:17

It certainly conjures an image of something ...

Lweji · 09/05/2018 15:18

On a side note, the Russian Ambassador in Portugal has suddenly died at 66.

The note by the local news agency puts "suddenly" between commas in the title and in the text.

I wonder what they're trying to say.

In English:
www.novinite.com/articles/189989/The+Russian+Ambassador+to+Portugal+has+Died+Suddenly

lionheart · 09/05/2018 15:18

Hearing has just started.

lionheart · 09/05/2018 15:19

Here.

www.c-span.org/

Lweji · 09/05/2018 16:02

Collins asks what she'd do if the President ordered her to torture prisoners. Go Collins.