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We’re all going on a WITCH HUNT! We’re not scared ...we persist. (Trump cont.)

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TheClaws · 08/05/2018 04:35

In response to one of Trump’s incoherent WITCH HUNT! tweets in the last 12 hours, Rep. Adam Schiff sent this:

Adam Schiff @RepAdamSchiff 12 hrs
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Adam Schiff Retweeted Donald J. Trump

Given all the secret meetings with the Russians, the denials, the false statements, and the guilty pleas, your attacks on the Republican, respected, decorated, Vietnam Veteran running the investigation could not be more false, or transparent.

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AsAProfessionalFekko · 08/05/2018 20:48

Bull - it's nearly midnight in Tehran and I'm sure they weren't sitting in readiness. Israel has meddles enough and are just shitting themselves.

Why would Iran go back into discussions with the US - how can they trust them an inch?

cozietoesie · 08/05/2018 20:51

They can't. Nobody can.

Roussette · 08/05/2018 20:53

Totally agree yamayo, it's the 'O' word isn't it... he will unravel anything to do with Obama

Windthebobbinup1982 · 08/05/2018 20:54

I can’t help thinking that Trump’s decision to withdraw from this deal is perhaps the most stupid, reckless and bizarre foreign policy decision I have ever witnessed....at least on a par with the decision to go to war with Iraq.

Roussette · 08/05/2018 20:55

Yes bobbin there isn't anyone saying any different to you. Total condemnation of it

AsAProfessionalFekko · 08/05/2018 20:55

And to threaten everyone else who deals with Iran - fuck off, who died and made you God?

AsAProfessionalFekko · 08/05/2018 20:57

I may put the last part in a t-shirt and banner.

Roussette · 08/05/2018 20:59

Good one Fekko Grin

Windthebobbinup1982 · 08/05/2018 21:00

The only logic to those wanting to withdraw from thus deal is that they want a war with Iran to literally destroy its nuclear ambitions, as there can be no hope of negotiations if we follow this line. I’m normally quite sanguine when it comes to foreign affairs but this is madness, utter madness... the kind of hubris and arrogance that led Hitler to start WWII. I’m incredibly angry.

cozietoesie · 08/05/2018 21:02

He can wave Goodbye to any possible PP now.

cozietoesie · 08/05/2018 21:03

Sorry. Peace Prize I meant of course.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 08/05/2018 21:04

What's pp? Is he still coming? I told the office ages ago that I would moon him if he came - I may paint it blue a la Braveheart.

blueskyinmarch · 08/05/2018 21:06

You know it is really bad when Obama says it is a mistake straight out as he hasn't really made much comment on Trumps actions (though I would love to know what he really thinks!).

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/05/2018 21:10

Perhaps he’ll take this as a consolation prize cozie

www.axios.com/jerusalem-set-to-name-square-after-donald-trump--827916a9-d2ff-45ee-9837-931e7c64dc82.html

AcrossthePond55 · 08/05/2018 21:11

So, how much oil is there to be found in Iran?

Other than that the Iran Nuke Deal was supported by Obama, that's the only reason I can think of for Scrotus refusing to sign it. Look closely enough at anything he does and you'll find that either he or one of his cronies stands to make money off it.

Roussette · 08/05/2018 21:11

Here is Obama's statement on FB
"Barack Obama
32 mins ·
There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

That is why today’s announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe."

Windthebobbinup1982 · 08/05/2018 21:24

Roussette

What a contrast with the current twat!

cozietoesie · 08/05/2018 21:24

He's furious.

MedicinalGin · 08/05/2018 21:30

It was very telling that, standing off to the side of Trump during his speech, was Jon Bolton- following his own copy of the script very closely and miming the words as Trump spoke.
Doesn’t exactly fill one with confidence that there is a cunning plan somewhere to salvage this diplomatic wreck. Gins all round Gin

Roussette · 08/05/2018 21:35

I know bobbin .... I miss the intelligence of Obama and his eloquence.

I'm fairly ignorant on the ins and outs of the Iran deal but have been reading a lot tonight and this is a huge thing that he has done and in a very very bad way. So worrying.

This is down to Bolton and Netanyahu

AsAProfessionalFekko · 08/05/2018 21:36

I even miss old Ronnie these days...

TheNorthWestPawsage · 08/05/2018 21:40

I'll take a vat of Gin right now!
So once again the winner in this will be Putin - higher prices for Russian oil exports and the opportunity to sell nuclear equipment to Iran.

As for Netanyahu...

We’re all going on a WITCH HUNT! We’re not scared ...we persist. (Trump cont.)
Windthebobbinup1982 · 08/05/2018 21:41

I'm fairly ignorant on the ins and outs of the Iran deal but have been reading a lot tonight and this is a huge thing that he has done and in a very very bad way.

Me too... For all Trump’s isolationist talk, the neo-cons have wheedled their way back in. Netanyahu wants war with Iran. He see them as an existential threat and sees it as a zero sum game... the only way Israel can win is if Iran lose, and he wants the US to do his bidding. It’s very scary.

lionheart · 08/05/2018 21:50

This is below the belt but today he deserves it.

www.rawstory.com/2018/05/stormy-daniels-hints-trump-not-well-endowed/

lionheart · 08/05/2018 21:51

Ed Krassenstein
‏*@EdKrassen*

BREAKING: Iran President Hassan Rouhani has stated that his country will remain in the nuclear deal, and uphold the deal with those countries who signed it.

In other words, Iran is showing more integrity than President Trump. How far have we fallen?

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