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We’re all going on a WITCH HUNT! We’re not scared ...we persist. (Trump cont.)

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TheClaws · 08/05/2018 04:35

In response to one of Trump’s incoherent WITCH HUNT! tweets in the last 12 hours, Rep. Adam Schiff sent this:

Adam Schiff @RepAdamSchiff 12 hrs
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Adam Schiff Retweeted Donald J. Trump

Given all the secret meetings with the Russians, the denials, the false statements, and the guilty pleas, your attacks on the Republican, respected, decorated, Vietnam Veteran running the investigation could not be more false, or transparent.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3231026-Trumpwatch-Courage-Calls-to-Courage-Everywhere

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Minimammoth · 16/05/2018 20:36

cozie on reading, I tried, I really did, got to p 4 of 315 pages, and decided life’s too short.

cozietoesie · 16/05/2018 20:52

So the matter now moves to the House? Smile

cozietoesie · 16/05/2018 20:54

Sorry. Net neutrality that is.

lionheart · 16/05/2018 21:14

Yes.

lionheart · 16/05/2018 21:21

www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-trump-tower-meeting-929859

'Jared Kushner’s account of showing little interest in an infamous Trump Tower meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer promising “dirt” on Hillary Clinton was contradicted by multiple witnesses who also attended the June 2016 meeting. Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he arrived to the meeting late and left early after he determined that “my time was not well spent at the meeting.”'

PerkingFaintly · 17/05/2018 00:07

Mini you did better than me. Even with Brew.

mackerella · 17/05/2018 00:30

I didn't realise that FLOTUS was in hospital (kidney op, apparently). But the headline to this Hill story about it has to be sarcastic, surely? The orange one has set the bar so low that I can no longer tell Confused

Trump visits first lady in hospital for second straight day

cozietoesie · 17/05/2018 00:40

I think it's a straight piece, actually.

TheClaws · 17/05/2018 01:46

Giuliani pops up again like a confused jester. This time, he reckons he was told “they can’t indict. At least they acknowledged that to us after some battling, they acknowledged that to us,” Giuliani told CNN. Apparently Giuliani believes the Constitution prevents the indictment of a sitting President.

Me - I have more confidence in Mueller than Giuliani Grin

thehill.com/homenews/administration/388050-giuliani-says-mueller-has-informed-him-that-trump-cannot-be-indicted

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TheClaws · 17/05/2018 01:51

A new blast directed at the US from North Korea.

KCNA Commentary Urges U.S. to Stop Introducing Nuclear Strategic Assets

Pyongyang, May 16 (KCNA) -- The U.S. and south Korea are staging the large-scale 2018 Max Thunder air combat drill (from May 11 through 25).

At a time when the DPRK-U.S. summit is approaching, the U.S. has launched the largest-ever drill involving B-52 strategic nuclear bomber, F-22 Raptor stealth fighters and other nuclear strategic assets. This is an extremely provocative and ill-boding act of going against the trend for peace and security in the Korean peninsula and dialogue atmosphere.

The above drill involving nuclear strategic assets is nothing helpful to the development of situation in the Korean peninsula.

An atmosphere of détente and reconciliation has now been created on the Korean peninsula thanks to the proactive efforts made by the DPRK.

But the U.S. is going against all the peace-loving efforts and good faith the DPRK has shown so far in practice.

Making up the majority proportion in the U.S. are those calling for the Korea policy emphasizing pressure, and high-ranking officials of the White House and the State Department unhesitatingly make ill-boding remarks getting on the nerves of the dialogue partner.

The U.S. introduction of huge strategic assets into the joint air combat drill can never be justified as it is an arrogant act of going against the DPRK's sincere efforts to end the deep-rooted hostile relations between the DPRK and the U.S. and provide the environment of lasting peace on the peninsula, and a deliberate provocation to the dialogue partner.

The U.S. continued introduction of nuclear strategic assets has exposed the process for détente on the peninsula to vulnerability and clouded the prospect of the upcoming DPRK-U.S. summit, to say nothing of suspending the north-south high-level talks that was just around the corner.

It is a universally recognized maxim that no issue can be implemented through the efforts of only one side and that good results can be expected only when both sides create favorable conditions and environment by joint efforts.

The U.S. should not misjudge the DPRK's peace-loving willingness as an expression of weakness but stop act of rattling the dialogue partner through continued introduction of nuclear strategic assets.

If it truly wishes for dialogue, it should come out to positively respond to the DPRK's pro-active measures for world peace, not posing threat to the peace and security on the Korean peninsula through the introduction of nuclear strategic assets. -0-

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TheClaws · 17/05/2018 02:00

Press statement from NK. Summed up: they don’t like Bolton, and they are not going to be pushed around by him.

Press Statement by First Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs of DPRK

Pyongyang, May 16 (KCNA) -- Kim Kye Gwan, first vice-minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPRK, made public the following press statement on Wednesday:

Kim Jong Un, chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, made a strategic decision to put an end to the unpleasant history of the DPRK-U.S. relations and met Pompeo, U.S. secretary of state, for two times during his visit to our country and took very important and broad-minded steps for peace and stability in the Korean peninsula and the world.

In response to the noble intention of Chairman Kim Jong Un, President Trump stated his position for terminating the historically deep-rooted hostility and improving the relations between the DPRK and the U.S.

I appreciated the position positively with an expectation that upcoming DPRK-U.S. summit would be a big step forward for catalyzing détente on the Korean peninsula and building a great future.

But now prior to the DPRK-U.S. summit, unbridled remarks provoking the other side of dialogue are recklessly made in the U.S. and I am totally disappointed as these constitute extremely unjust behavior.

High-ranking officials of the White House and the Department of State including Bolton, White House national security adviser, are letting loose the assertions of so-called Libya mode of nuclear abandonment, "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization", "total decommissioning of nuclear weapons, missiles, biochemical weapons". etc, while talking about formula of "abandoning nuclear weapons first, compensating afterwards".

This is not an expression of intention to address the issue through dialogue. It is essentially a manifestation of awfully sinister move to impose on our dignified state the destiny of Libya or Iraq which had been collapsed due to yielding the whole of their countries to big powers.

I cannot suppress indignation at such moves of the U.S., and harbor doubt about the U.S. sincerity for improved DPRK-U.S. relations through sound dialogue and negotiations.

World knows too well that our country is neither Libya nor Iraq which have met miserable fate.

It is absolutely absurd to dare compare the DPRK, a nuclear weapon state, to Libya which had been at the initial stage of nuclear development.

We shed light on the quality of Bolton already in the past, and we do not hide our feeling of repugnance towards him.

If the Trump administration fails to recall the lessons learned from the past when the DPRK-U.S. talks had to undergo twists and setbacks owing to the likes of Bolton and turns its ear to the advice of quasi-"patriots" who insist on Libya mode and the like, prospects of upcoming DPRK-U.S. summit and overall DPRK-U.S. relations will be crystal clear.

We have already stated our intention for denuclearization of the Korean peninsula and made clear on several occasions that precondition for denuclearization is to put an end to anti-DPRK hostile policy and nuclear threats and blackmail of the United States.

But now, the U.S. is miscalculating the magnanimity and broad-minded initiatives of the DPRK as signs of weakness and trying to embellish and advertise as if these are the product of its sanctions and pressure.

The U.S. is trumpeting as if it would offer economic compensation and benefit in case we abandon nuke. But we have never had any expectation of U.S. support in carrying out our economic construction and will not at all make such a deal in future, either.

It is a ridiculous comedy to see that the Trump administration, claiming to take a different road from the previous administrations, still clings to the outdated policy on the DPRK - a policy pursued by previous administrations at the time when the DPRK was at the stage of nuclear development.

If President Trump follows in the footsteps of his predecessors, he will be recorded as more tragic and unsuccessful president than his predecessors, far from his initial ambition to make unprecedented success.

If the Trump administration takes an approach to the DPRK-U.S. summit with sincerity for improved DPRK-U.S. relations, it will receive a deserved response from us. However, if the U.S. is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the DPRK-U.S. summit. -0-

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AcrossthePond55 · 17/05/2018 02:06

NK meeting in doubt
Scrotus' financial disclosure cops to the Stormy payment, matter has been referred to DoJ
2016 Trump Tower meeting confirmed

Ah, it's been a good day.

mackerella · 17/05/2018 07:21

Yeah, I agree the piece is straight, Cozie, but the headline sounds so sarcastic to me - reporting as news that T has actually visited his wife in hospital for two days in a row Hmm (She was probably hoping to get some peace and quiet and escape from him for a bit...)

Lweji · 17/05/2018 08:04

Meanwhile, Betty.
The reverse superhero of education.

TheClaws · 17/05/2018 08:27

Yes, mackarella - “second straight day” - as if it’s some kind of marvellous feat. That language is usually reserved for higher numbers - so, “he visited her in hospital for the eighth straight day.” I guess for Trump, though, it is a feat.

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ohmymimi · 17/05/2018 08:30

'Trump’s North Korea Nobel buzz could die with John Bolton
Is Trump’s biggest obstacle to a deal with North Korea his own national security adviser?'
www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/16/trump-north-korea-bolton-595064?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 17/05/2018 08:38

Wittes perpective on the 'missing' SARs:
mobile.twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/996932144567025664

ohmymimi · 17/05/2018 08:56

Keep digging, Rudi.
"If there was collusion with the Russians, they [the Trump campaign] would’ve used it.”
mobile.twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/996954780500156418

ohmymimi · 17/05/2018 09:53

The section of Nicole Wallace's 'Deadline: White House' podcast yesterday evening covering FBI/TrumpRussia/ ' Crossfire Hurricane' is excellent and clarifying. Also good on the Trump financial disclosure/OGE referral.
[Deadline: White House] "Is this the real cover-up?"
podplayer.net/#/?id=50460520 via @PodcastAddict

ohmymimi · 17/05/2018 11:57

Julie Bykowicz WSJ:
'Here is a now-more-intriguing story I wrote last year for @AP. Trump's attorneys asked OGE if he could skip certifying as true his financial disclosure.'
mobile.twitter.com/bykowicz/status/996866040012427264

ohmymimi · 17/05/2018 12:05

A POLITICO investigation reveals new details about the agents powering the special counsel probe.

A POLITICO investigation reveals new details about the agents powering the special counsel probe.
www.politico.com/story/2018/05/17/mueller-fbi-team-russia-probe-594345

cozietoesie · 17/05/2018 15:17

Interesting. (And something I was wondering about - as you'll all have seen.)

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