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To be a bit pi@sed of with Madonna

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IcingOnTheCake · 15/05/2007 16:32

I used to really like her and i still really like her music but since the whole adoption/attention seeking thing, she really annoys me. The reason i am writing this is because i heard someone say yesterday about how she built her fortune on promoting casual sex and leading teenagers to be premiscious yet with her own kids she doesn't expose them to any form of sex/violence of any kind. Its just been bugging me.

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marieg76 · 16/05/2007 10:50

Here we go again, slating other women! She's in show business, it's entertainment (or not depending upon your opinion). Girls who were promiscuous weren't being so simply because they had heard Madonna sing "Like A Virgin"! We're all a little bit smarter than that aren't we?

Priorities change and you change when you have children. She looks great for her age too so let's not slate her for looking a certain way - I thought that we all hated the fact that women were judged on their looks alone. Is that all that makes women worthy? Their looks alone?

Why don't we all slate Mick Jagger who was against his daughter being a model despite having been a serial "modeliser" himself? Is that not contradictory too? Also, it could be considered that he doesn't look so good for his age but I guess that as he is a man, we're not really going to focus on that are we.

I think its a damn shame that we slate other women so much

3andnomore · 16/05/2007 10:53

HOw did she actively encourage young girls to have casual sex????

3andnomore · 16/05/2007 10:55

LOl...did Mick Jagger ever look good???????? Shudder

ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 10:57

It's all jealousy!

She's loaded with a gorgeous husband & still at 49 has a figure which is passable in a pink leotard...get over it ladies!

GiantSquirrelSpotter · 16/05/2007 11:05

I think the word hypocrisy is being misused tbh.

It seems obvious to me why Mick Jagger didn't want his DD to be a model - he didn't want her to be treated the way he'd treated women.

What's hypocritical about that? It may be contradictory and unrealistic (children learn from what their parents do, not what they say), but it's not hypocritical as such.

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:07

Its not just the casual sex, its the whole package that came with Madonna and she made a very large fortune in doing it. Everyones done stuff in their past that wouldn't want their children to do but i think there is a big difference in being a bit 'slutty' when you were 18 and not wanting your kids to follow suit and promoting yourself to the world like she did, making abortion out like its ok to do time and time again (i read this in her biography) and leading young vunerable and neve girls astray. Then like Nightynight said 'while apparently maintaining a different face to her own children'.

I know loads of celebs do it like Angelina Jolie etc but Madonna was who i was a bit annoyed at.

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marieg76 · 16/05/2007 11:07

Hi GSS - I actually used the word "contradictory" - not hypocritical.

ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 11:08

I'm sure Mick Jagger wants his well educated daughter to choose a more fulfilling career as many fathers would!

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:09

I'm not jealous of her ScottishThistle

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ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 11:10

IcingOnTheCake...Why buy her book then, you only added to her fortune by doing so!

ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 11:12

If it's not jealousy I fail to understand why you're holding her responsible for casual sex etc etc...There are many other Celebs on the same peg as Madonna.

Surely you don't believe she actually influenced many clever teens or do you???

GiantSquirrelSpotter · 16/05/2007 11:13

Did she actually say : "go and have casual sex girls, it's great!"?

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:23

It's only recently that she has come to annoy me, i think it's that whole 'adoption' thing. Anyway, no she didn't say 'go have casual sex' as such, it was her mission to make every young girl copy her and idlise her etc. I am not quite sure why i would be jealous of someone over double my age

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ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 11:26

If she's over double your age then you don't have a clue what you're talking about really because you didn't live in the Madonna era!

She was no worse than any other popstar of that era!

She has a figure most girls in their 20's would be proud of I'm sure!

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:31

Thanks ScottistThistle, i realise that i wouldn't know everything about what went on but in the last 5 years i have done so much research on her because even though she bugs me now, i used to be a tad obsessed because has had quite a fasinating life.

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LazyLine · 16/05/2007 11:31

Madonna was mid-twenties before she even started releasing singles.

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:36

Yeah she was 23/24 when she released her first album.

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ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 11:38

Just goes to show experience is usually more important than something which has only been read about!

whywhywhy · 16/05/2007 11:39

Scottishthistle et al, I do not mean to 'slate' her appearance nor am I jealous of her exactly (though wouldn't turn down one or two of her millions I'm sure!) but I do think she has fallen victim to the Posh Spice type thing of extra thinness and pointless hauteur, and it is a shame. She looked so much better and more interesting in the early 80s with a small amount of fat on her body.

I think she started off as an interesting figure for women, if in the end she was too chameleonic and slick to really be a sexual rebel as she claimed to be. But now she looks to me like hollow pop royalty and I hate all the virtuous mum posturing- like that Laura Ashley getup she wore to launch her children's book. Urgh.

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:44

Yeah your right that experience is always better but the only reading part of my research on her was her biography. The rest was interviews, documentrys etc. I don't usually believe what i read about celebs, i like to hear it from their mouths which in most cases was what i saw of Madonna, the words coming from her mouth. And yes whywhywhy, i do think she has over done it figure wise, i would no way wanna look like her. Her figure is boyish with mussles, yuck!

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GiantSquirrelSpotter · 16/05/2007 11:47

I don't think she went out of her way to get everyone to copy her, look like her etc.

On the contrary, she was very clear that she did her own thing. Young women copied her look, style etc. because they admired it.

She was fab.

Sha has been extremely flaky for about 10 years ever since Guy Ritchie, English manor stuff.

Am loving Harry and Paul's piss take of them

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IcingOnTheCake · 16/05/2007 11:51

When you say flaky do you mean one minute she's lady of the manor and the next she's disco queen in a leatard?

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GiantSquirrelSpotter · 16/05/2007 12:12

Just overall a bit naff

Music's not as good, hair is terrible, english manor thing v v bad

Guy ritchie naff

Flicky hair

Oh dear

How have the mighty fallen

ipanemagirl · 16/05/2007 12:22

I look at Madonna in the light of her losing her mother young. Some of her wildness might have been looking for love (awful cliche I know)
Maybe motherhood has grounded her a lot and made her look back on her wildness as something not quite ideal or the behaviour of a happy well adjusted person? Although I think a lot of her work had a lot of value - it was all about her wasn't it like Tracey Emin's work?

ScottishThistle · 16/05/2007 13:22

Nobody's perfect are they?

I agree she's overdone the exercise regime, but how many celebs haven't!?!

Victoria Beckham is certainly not the person she's portrayed to be by the media!

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