To be a bit pi@sed of with Madonna

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I used to really like her and i still really like her music but since the whole adoption/attention seeking thing, she really annoys me. The reason i am writing this is because i heard someone say yesterday about how she built her fortune on promoting casual sex and leading teenagers to be premiscious yet with her own kids she doesn't expose them to any form of sex/violence of any kind. Its just been bugging me.

The image presented with the books were a bit naff for me but we don't have to read them do we? I must admit I only started following her doings a bit as we were pregnant at the same time during her last pg. Have to do something in your last trimester with your first baby .

er, yes actually, she did actively encourage young girls to have casual sex

"experience has made me rich and now theyre after me" If you sleep around a lot girls, you'll be sophisticated and experienced like me, and boys will fancy you more!
"Get into the groove boy, youve got to prove your love to me" Did you not realise that Get into the Groove == Fuck me?
etc

bear in mind, this was not aimed at rational adults, but at teenage girls. 1984-85 Madonna was the main thing that wasnt awful pinstriped suits and working in the city, she was the only way you could rebel. So yes, she did have a lot of influence.

She had no influence on me or any of my friends!

I loved Bananarama!

on a side note I was horrified to find myself finding Mick and Keith attractive at a concert. Two years ago.

Not in photos or video but in the flesh they had it going on.

Another reformed headcase here. Ita with her re her jkids and exposure to stuff.

I think it's a long way from saying "this is how I feel, this is what I've done" to saying "You go out and do it too". I think I've seen enough threads on Mumsnet where people talk about their own personal experience, to accept that they don't necessarily mean to advocate that their experience is the only valid one and ought to be the template for everyone else.

And anyway, these are pop songs. Would you accuse Boney M of encouraging mothers to bring up their sons "to handle a gun" or all the other pop singers who have ever been, who have sung about sex, drugs, wanting to kill people, etc. of literally inciting their fans to do the same? Because if so, I think you're stretching it a bit.

I agree that she was a bit like Tracey Emin- working out her tiresome neuroses in public via her "art". The difference is that Tracey Emin does it in an esoteric modern art context mostly of interest to art students and old farts, while Madonna did it in a mainstream industry where the chief consumers are teenagers. Which granted does add a layer of responsibility I suppose, that Emin doesn't have and takes us into a whole new discussion about role models and the balance between expressing themselves honestly and their duty not to frighten the horses. We could do a whole other thread about that and I'm sure it would be a very interesting one.

LOL at Mrs Apron, I would be horrified and deeply depressed if I found Keith Richards or Mick Jagger attractive. It's bad enough finding people like Nick Robinson a bit of all right, I would feel my life was over if I descended to Keith Richards.

Its more analogous to an advert, imo. MacDonalds show lots of happy people eating in their restaurants, because they know that people copy what they see on the tv!

Don't need to read any of teh thread to answer - no, you're not being unreasonable.

No, I have felt a bit miffed at her landed bloody gentry attitude for a while. Rolling on the floor in your knickers was good enough for us as little girls to idolise and pay money to watch, but Lourdes is all protected form that stuff, she has been noted at interviews saying how strict she is with her daughter and how she has changed a lot of her perspective on casual sex since having a daughter.