To not find middle class ‘socialists’ laughing at the poor and uneducated very funny.

[Mightymucks]

I’m currently a mature student and am on a lot of FB pages related to my Uni. I need to be on there for news, but an awful lot of the content seems to be middle class self proclaimed socialists laughing at jokes poking fun at the thick unwashed masses who might have the temerity not to slavishly agree with them on every issue.

Take this morning. One of them posted a joke about an imaginary rabid Brexiteer called ‘Sharon from Croydon’ who voted for Brexit ‘because she thinks brown neurosurgeons are stealing jobs she would have been qualified for if she hadn’t dropped out of her hair and beauty NVQ’. Cue much hilarity from these students and lots of comments about ‘thick northerners’ whose capability of engaging with the political process doesn’t extend beyond looking at one slogan on a bus.

I called him ‘a snob’ and he responded that he was ‘calling out racism’ despite the fact that ‘Sharon’ is fictional and therefore doesn’t need calling out. It was just a series of lazy stereotypes designed to stoke predjudice and exactly the thing socialism is supposed to be explicitly against?

A symptom of this in a ward by the Uni near me Labour has actually removed a local candidate with long standing Labour links and huge respect from locals because he is
‘too working class’ for the students to vote for and replaced him with a history academic from out of town.

I should point out that in my working class northern area I don’t know a single person who isn’t aware that Marxism and socialism represents the working classes and the poor and uneducated. But apparently a University education doesn’t extend to teaching that these days.

I also know it isn’t universal in Labour because I had a fantastic female middle aged canvasser around this weekend who was totally clued up on issues of local concern like school funding and libraries and actually convinced me to vote for them.

But AIBU to hate these middle class millennial fuckwits who pretend they’re socialists but are actually massive fucking crashing snobs?

no problem Dapple

Mominatrix - I'm sure you're right but prospective politicians need a thick skin and/or a lot of confidence.
Politicians of every colour are subjected to vicious personal attacks which have got worse since social media allows anonymous attacks with no fear of any come back.
I couldn't imagine a worse job - though obviously somebody has got to do it.

But I am afraid this is what are young people now think is the norm

based on your own anecdotal evidence. Young people are just happy to get on the housing ladder.

The level of snobbery and discrimination by the middle classes against the working classes is shocking. What's even more shocking is that it comes from people who wouldn't dream for a second of saying equivalant things from a race or gender viewpoint

Totally agree with this.

It's interesting how Brexit has made this type of lazy stereotyping so much more common and accepted. Characters like Sharon from Croydon massively oversimplify what is a very complex topic. There are arguments for and against leaving the EU from across the political spectrum, there were plenty of right-wing remainers and left-wing Brexiteers.

Ghost

You know St. Jeremy almost certainly voted for Brexit, right? What with opposition to the EU being one of his most deeply-held political convictions for decades and him being a man of principle?

The above is impossible. What you are attempting to grapple with is a metaphor which cannot be “literal”.

Nope. Because that is making the assumption that an emotion has no physical effects when we know it does. For example, stress, anger, frustration, hatred or contempt and other strong emotions induce physical reactions like perspiration which = contempt literally seeping out of every pore. I knew some smart Alec was going to say that.

Corbyn is not in government. He did not call the referendum. Don't worry about him. Worry about how the Tories are slowly destroying themselves and the country.

Housing is far more complex than a right/left issue, Labour ran on the campaign of building some ~20000 more houses which would not even start to address the problem

Anyone thinking that Labour once in power would solve the problem are blinkered to be honest.

We are were we are due to successive governments and the electorate across all political stripes loving their personal wealth rise.

It cannot be pin pointed onto one Party alone

They are just young!? Erm...most of them are straight in from school so yeah, they are “just” young. University is their natural domain whereas many mature students couldn’t get a place when they left school - and probably had to access one later via a slightly easier route.

Yes, thank you, I did my first degree years ago but am retraining and have just finished my second bachelors degree and am about to start my MSc. But thanks for the patronising, clearly I really needed it --you insufferable megaarse

Oh strikethrough fail. Oh well.

Labour used to be for the working class,now the middle class think it's trendy to vote labour. Look at Diane Abbot she looks down on the working class, her son couldn't possibly go to a state school but it's ok for the rest of us.

Lloyd45

Their are are a fair few who send their children to private school I believe shamus mills kids go to tiffin 😯
and that amnesty lady kids go to private school

GhostofFrankGrimes

Corbyn is not in government. He did not call the referendum. Don't worry about him.

If the stupid commie would stop trying to get into government I'd be delighted to stop worrying about him!

Well you can continue enjoy lowering living standards under the Tories then

I laughed at Sharon from Croydon. It isn’t a lazy stereotype because I honestly know people like this... you’d be surprised how many people in the world are that stupid.

Well you can continue enjoy lowering living standards under the Tories then

So, if we are not to worry about Corbyn, who else will sort the situation out?

Worrying about Corbyn is your own problem. If you won’t accept a country that breaks away from the neo liberal consensus then you can have another 30 years of growing inequality. Clearly nobody in government is speaking for the working classes.

@GhostofFrankGrimes
Pigeon holing people isn't helpful but well done on playing divide and conquer.

😂 Oh, the irony.

Worrying about Corbyn is your own problem. If you won’t accept a country that breaks away from the neo liberal consensus then you can have another 30 years of growing inequality. Clearly nobody in government is speaking for the working classes.

So how do you tie your Remainer beliefs to supporting Corbyn who has always been Eurosceptic, wants to end FOM etc

Being a remainer is de facto Neoliberal, difference is, I admit the fact I am

😂 Oh, the irony.

Yes, heaven forbid anybody left wing might ever pigeon someone based on their ethnicity/religion/sexuality/gender/sex/age/origin etc, etc.

whats ironic? Neo liberal policies usually promoted by right wing governments are to the detriment of working class communities.

Leaving the EU is throwing the baby out with bath water. Moving away from globalisation and consumerist mind set cannot be done overnight. Other EU countries manage to be less right wing economically than the UK. Clearly the free market does not know best.

I do wonder if the OP on Secondary education asking for which £35k a year boarding school to send her DD to is a leftie !

Seriously the attitude of the typical educated professional lefty is to see anyone they consider to be beneath them 'academically' as not worthy of anything.

They then bang on about social fairness or equality of opportunity. This without explaining the very reason they made it to their elevated position , is because of their family patronage !

However, I think these lefties might have more than they can chew , if Corbyn got in.....

The patronizing lefty professional is over represented on this site ...

TBH, if you think the Tories and Brexit is going to help the working classes you deserve to be patrionized. I’m wc btw.