To say YABU if you think Kate deserves no sympathy because 'she knew what she was getting into!'

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It sounds like the sort of people use to say (and often still do), if a younger mother dared complain if she was drained - All because 'she knew what she was getting into' when she decided to have a baby, and that 'she knew the dad probably wouldn't stick around, she knew babies aren't dolls'

^The above is no reflection of all or even most young mums! I am one.

Anyway, moving on... Isn't it quite tactless and a bit lacking in compassion to say "She knew what she was getting into!"

I don't know her personally, but Will, and her three children, are just that to her. Not Royal figures for show.

I understand she may be feeling a million dollars, though. I suffered with HG and felt like going to the Ritz after my DC's birth. Sadly, I neglected to pack a dress and was quite disappointed I was going home in leggings and a top

I thought Kate and William (and baby) looked wonderful. They've had a healthy new baby. No matter how fancy the delivery suite, birth is a risky business. Congratulations. (I hate her choice of shoes)

Putting on a dress and heels is a tiny price to pay for the life of obscene and undeserved privilege that woman has!

I'll save my sympathy for the average new mums out there. The ones currently recovering on the shitty, cash starved post natal wards we read about so often on MN.

I'm due to give birth in September. I'd gladly stand on the hospital steps in a g string and stripper heels if it meant going home to a life like Kate's afterwards!

I don't think I stopped shaking for a good couple of hours post birth.

It's a big ask, surely any woman, no matter how famous has the right to say NO. How soon was the Queen or Diana on show afterwards? It's not a necessary photocall that soon after birth so she must have consented.

I'd gladly stand on the hospital steps in a g string and stripper heels if it meant going home to a life like Kate's afterwards!

But is it a 'small price?'

How much are pictures of your just born newborn worth? How much is the privacy of such a special moment?

I can't imagine anything worse than having to present my hours old newborn to be papped by a sea of rabid stangers and press so his picture can appear in the Daily Mail and his features get picked apart by quite a few mean spirited strangers on a computer. Imagine having no control over where pictures of your newborn appear, knowing some people will say awful things/ or are the obsessive fan type?

Not a price I'd want to pay. Not a price I think anyone should pay.

I'm Spanish, and over there we have a great example of someone who bit way more than she can chew in Queen Letizia. She gets cranky, fights publicly with her MIL, insists that her being Queen is "a job"...I personally think Kate is doing a stellar "job"!

She looked glowing, healthy and very happy. She was wearing what looked like a comfortable, loose dress and i suspect those were here 'comfy' heels. She didn't have far to travel home where she would be able to relax with her family. I am certain the queen is not the sort of MIL who drops in unannounced so she will have plenty of time to sling on a frock and some make up when she knows she is coming to visit.

She had a choice. Never mind in who she married - in choosing the Lindo Wing, in announcing the due date accurately, in arriving publicly, in leaving the hospital so soon after the birth, in the clothes she wore and so on.

The average Mnetter seems to want to closet herself away with 'my baby' for 6 months and no visitors. The fact that Kate chooses otherwise blows some people's minds.

She looked a lot plumper this time around and I'm sure it's been noted but numerous others

Did she? Tbh I just looked at her and thought she looked fucking amazing. Her weight wasn't even something I noticed (except in an envious way, that it took me several weeks to even get close to my pre-pregnancy clothes and I'm still carrying extra weight).

Obviously, she's not going to appear on the steps in a tatty dressing gown, slippers and hair in a messy bun, she has to make that effort. I know she has stylists etc, but for goodness sake, she'd given birth only hours before, good on her I say...and I hope when she got home, she put her comfy jarmies on, had a nice cuppa, and put her feet up on the sofa!

If a picture of me holding my hours old newborn was going to be circulated around every newspaper and website globally I would insist on freshly washed hair, make up and a dress made from the most comfortable and flattering material.

No she didnt have to pose on the steps. No she didnt have to wear a smart dress. No she didnt have to wear heels. But doing these things for a few short minutes has been a good pacifier for the press who are likely to not take any snaps of the new Prince until he is about one (with Kate no doubt taking family shots to release).

I hope when she got home, she put her comfy jarmies on, had a nice cuppa, and put her feet up on the sofa!

I’m sure she did and her mum was photographed shopping in Kensington or Kings Road yesterday so she most likely had her parents waiting for her at home

It was a hideous dress, it has to be admitted. Even ardent royalists have to agree with that!

The average Mnetter seems to want to closet herself away with 'my baby' for 6 months and no visitors

I wonder if she throws a shit fit when Granny-in-law dares to want a cuddle...

I never expect or want sympathy for choices I have knowingly made. I doubt that she is any less of a stiff upper lip.

It's a big ask, surely any woman, no matter how famous has the right to say NO. How soon was the Queen or Diana on show afterwards? It's not a necessary photocall that soon after birth so she must have consented.
Absolutely. She wanted to get back to Kensington straight away I am sure if she wanted to stay overnight she could have done. This was her choice 10 min max on the steps of the hospital now back to her palace apartment her staff her luxuries where she can remain hidden from press intrusion for weeks if she wants. She only has to concentrate on her newborn everything else will be taken care of - school run, cooking, cleaning, washing and so on. I'd happily do 10 min of posing for all that help

@HadronCollider It's a very small price imo. Kate knows the rules. There's no privacy when you're royalty. I don't believe for a second any of them believe a lack of privacy isn't a good enough exchange for being kept in luxury at the tax payers expense.

I have zero sympathy for Kate or any of her leeching family. Then again I'd happily see the entire royal family turfed out of their palaces tomorrow

Optimistic to think she'll be concentrating on her newborn @Dulra. Surely that's what nanny is for?

I feel sorry for her having to sleep with him. Hes pig ugly.

There's no privacy when you're royalty

Well there is, I mean we dont get to see the consumation of the marriage for example, why should we get to see immediate post-birth pictures? Who decides which bits are private and which not?
It's 2018, do we really require women to parade themselves in a 'look what I've just achieved' manner moments after giving birth? In heels or otherwise? I think its just a bit mysogynistic. A sort of 'good girl' undertone about it.

I just don't see how privilege negates basic human rights to dignity and privacy, and I'm often critical of the RF as an institution.

Having to get up, clean yourself up, al, to stand in front of paparazzi is just....off. EVERY woman has a right to a birth experience which doesn't come replete with jumping out of bed to face hoards of 'well wishers' and press.

Rudgie that’s horrible. I’d stake my mortgage on the fact that he wouldn’t shag you either.

To be fair I’ve always thought he and Harry seem like genuinely nice guys.

It annoys me when people insist that "we, the poor tax-payers" have to keep these idlers in luxury. Yes, we pay them - they are the family of the Head of State. We also pay MPs, the House of Lords, and, if you like, we pay for May's £1000 trousers and Corbyn's holiday.

Does Trump cost the US less? He certainly doesn't bring them many tourists - quite the reverse probably.

The Windsors would still be very rich if the monarchy was abolished. Buckingham Palace & Windsor Castle belong to the State, but Balmoral and Sandringham belong to them personally.
If I was the Queen and the nation decided to abolish me I'd ask the the money back which I paid towards the repair of Windsor after the fire

How much are pictures of your just born newborn worth? How much is the privacy of such a special moment?

Or maybe, from her point of view (possibly, I have no idea), given the excellent care she has, the relative ease of her births, and the fact she seems, you know, reasonably happy, perhaps she thinks it a special moment to show off her baby - very briefly - to the world?

Can someone explain this to me...

Giving birth at the Lindo and doing a photoshoot outside is not a royal tradition. It was just done by Charles and Diana, who did the photoshoot way less “dressed” anyway. The previous generation didn’t do it that way (ie the Queen).

Now I get if you’re going to girth birth privately in London the Lindo is the best choice (Portland a bit “flashy”) but it wasn’t a necessity. What’s to stop her giving birth at home for instance? It wouldn’t be a traditional home birth either because of the sheer amount of people attending her and the medical equipment they could have available. Also the shoot hours later on the steps. They CHOOSE to do this, the Queen didn’t do this.

Odder still for me are the clothes, the fact that for both sons she wore clothes similar to those worn by Diana. Why??

I feel like all these expectations and traditions have been put upon them in part by themselves. These are not long standing royal traditions dating back centuries. The Queen I’m sure has never insisted on any of it.

What are they if they are not Royal figures for show? They aren't the head of state. The only reason they get to live in Kensington palace and never have to lift a finger they don't want to lift is because they are Royal figures for show. I have more sympathy for celebs who don't court publicity and then have people photographing their children because it's an irritating side effect of their job. But their job is being in the royal family which entails not doing a lot in exchange for a life of enormous privilege.