to be horrified that people are forgetting the Holocaust?

[FleurDelacoeur]

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-shows-americans-are-forgetting-about-holocaust-n865396

OK, so it's an American study but 11% of all adults and 20% of millenials in the US haven't heard of the holocaust, or aren't sure whether they've heard of it or not.

Given that this is one of the most important events of the 20th century isn't this simply appalling? How can people NOT know??

I'm not aware of the curriculum in the rest of the UK but I know my secondary age kids in Scotland have learned about the Holocaust as part of a WW2 topic, and it was touched on in RE too when they learned about Judaism.

And quite frankly if it wasn't in the curriculum I'd be making sure they knew about it as it's such an important event which should never be forgotten.

In think it will go from being a fairly recent event to a more historic event . But I can’t see industrial murder of such a scale ever being forgotten

Thanks I am going to watch warriors too.,

Fake news 🙈

I remember watching the atrocities unfold in Bosnia as a young mum. The killing of the boys and men and the systematic rape of the young girls and women.

Beggars belief. Many monsters living a quiet life in their countries still and unpunished the bastards

What’s fake news

Am I watching the right thing? Does Warriors start with football stuff?

stop

Agree not even killing with just hate but with emotionless ruthless efficiency and the detailed record keeping and the complete belief in the cause and teaching the children it was normal
and right.

Efficient killing. I think unique

Please read up on the holocaust, all of it www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10008193
Don't forget the Russians or the other 6m + it was not just Jews.

Number of Deaths

Jews: up to 6 million

Soviet civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)

Soviet prisoners of war: around 3 million (including about 50,000 Jewish soldiers)

Non-Jewish Polish civilians: around 1.8 million (including between 50,000 and 100,000 members of the Polish elites)

Serb civilians (on the territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina): 312,000

People with disabilities living in institutions: up to 250,000

Roma (Gypsies): 196,000–220,000

Jehovah's Witnesses: around 1,900

Repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials: at least 70,000

German political opponents and resistance activists in Axis-occupied territory: undetermined

Homosexuals: hundreds, possibly thousands (possibly also counted in part under the 70,000 repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials noted above)

Jewish Loss by Location of Death

With regard to the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust, best estimates for the breakdown of Jewish loss according to location of death follow:

Auschwitz complex (including Birkenau, Monowitz, and subcamps): approximately 1 million

Treblinka 2: approximately 925,000

Belzec: 434,508

Sobibor: at least 167,000

Chelmno: 156,000–172,000

Shooting operations at various locations in central and southern German-occupied Poland (the so-called Government General): at least 200,000

Shooting operations in German-annexed western Poland (District Wartheland): at least 20,000

Deaths in other facilities that the Germans designated as concentration camps: at least 150,000

Shooting operations and gas wagons at hundreds of locations in the German-occupied Soviet Union: at least 1.3 million

Shooting operations in the Soviet Union (German, Austrian, Czech Jews deported to the Soviet Union): approximately 55,000

Shooting operations and gas wagons in Serbia: at least 15,088

Shot or tortured to death in Croatia under the Ustaša regime: 23,000–25,000

Deaths in ghettos: at least 800,000

Other*: at least 500,000

Tinycitrus

"When you talk about genocide it starts with the holocaust. Never has there been systemised, industrial scale and process for the eradication of a people. There is no equivalent."

rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Indian_Genocide

I guess that one doesn't count because it didn't happen on European soil, just done BY Europeans.

Fake news that it is being forgotten 😏. Just some sad American journo trying to rile people up

QueenofWands yes the Holocaust exhibition at the IWM was very carefully designed with the subject matter in mind and the emotions you were feeling as you went through it. I worked at the IWM for many years and worked very closely with the Holocaust exhibition. I no longer work there and I understand it’s about to undergo a revamp. For what it’s worth I advise that if anyone is thinking of visiting the HE they do so sooner rather than later. If the first stage of the IWM revamp is anything to go by they’ll wreck it.

Re the design, Yad Vashem in Jerusalem is a stunning example of this. The deeper you go into the museum the darker it gets until at the end you come out into bright sunlight and hope. It’s remarkable and a very very moving experience. Whatever else, places like Yad Vashem, the IWM and and the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington are doing their level best to educate as many people as possible.

Am I watching the right thing? Does Warriors start with football stuff?

Yes, shows the lads before they deploy....

The reason that it's more relevant for me than the Holocaust is because I was there, I've seen the people that did it, I've smelled it.

The Holocaust happened, this sort of thing is happening somewhere right now & unless you look for it you'll never know because it doesn't suit the Western Media to make us aware of it or because the people it's happening to aren't white.....

The point about genocides that have been prevented is that they didn't happen jasjas. Which is probably why you don't know about them

Dont be ridiculous, name anywhere where we have stopped one in its infancy? even just a tiny chance we might have?

Its all very well having excellent history taught in Schools but if you fail to learn its lessons, its all rather pointless.

For those that want to know what Europe was like in the 20th, the World at War is very good, which i believe can still be purchased.

Teaching history is never ever pointless. Shocked that some think it is!

The Holocaust should be taught, of course it should. Anti-semitism is on the rise. It's hugely important to keep it in the public consciousness.

Equally, the evils of other dictators such as Stalin, should be taught. Anyone heard of the the Holodomor? A man-made famine in which people in Ukraine and Russia were deliberately starved, leading to 15 million deaths. It happened in the 1930s.

We should learn more about all atrocities.

I didn't learn enough about slavery/empire and colonialism in formal education. I've tried to make up for it since.

People who are struggling to understand what the term 'genocide' means could perhaps try reading?

We did the holocaust every year until year 9 in my English school, I finished secondary in 2011 so not long ago.

Yes Tulips I have heard of Holodomor. Recent research has since narrowed the estimates to between 2.4[17] and 7.5[18] million. About the same as the number of Russians who died in the Nazi holocaust. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

People really should do some reading, several on this thread think only 6 million died in the holocaust. It was more, much more. Our history lessons do not always teach the whole truth.

Humans don't learn, we don't remember we just do the same stuff over and over again.

"Our history lessons do not always teach the whole truth."

This is usually lesson 1 in year 7!

ItsuAddict

Good point millions of Native Americans were murdered or forced into reservations or other conditions that caused them to die without any planning or agenda to cause mass death of them ahead of time by the people who did it.

Like the Indian Removal Act or Trail of Tears, among other events, laws etc, complete accidents, nothing systematic there.

Sorry but if anyone is claiming that they have been to school recently and have not studied the Holocaust then they need to either check their memories or make a complaint. It's part of the National Curriculum for year 9.They may not study it for GCSE but they will have studied it unless their school is ignoring the NC.

The majority of secondary schools are now academies, and academies don’t have to follow the national curriculum.

Ds(14) learned about WW2, Hitler and the holocaust in S1 in Scotland (similar to year 7), but he has since dropped history.

I was also taught it in the early/mid 1980s

My dd is doing GCSE History and the 20th Century component starts at the end of WW2. I did O level History (20th Century) and the syllabus skipped the actual First and Second World Wars (but we learned the reasons for the wars and the effects of them)
I think that these days, a lot of people learn about the Holocaust through movies.

There will always be events that people should know about but isn't covered at school. People died in the gulags of Russia, labour camps in China and there are lots of more modern instances of genocide which people might need to know about over the Holocaust. It could be argued that we should learn about Syria over some of the topics that are currently taught.