AIBU to create new thread in AIBU linking to threads in the feminist board people want to highlight?

[dangerrabbit]

Now feminism has disappeared from active, I thought it might be useful to start a meta thread on here where people can link to threads on feminism they wanted to draw to the wider attention.

Such as:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222459-Justine-stands-up-for-FWR-in-The-Times

FFS if you do want to see a topic just search for it. How much harder is it to type "mumsnet feminism" into the search bar then it is "mumsnet active?"

You don't even have to search. There is a drop down menu of topics at the top of every page of MN

If I want to read the feminism board I can find it, thanks.

I found the feminist board by reading a thread in active conversations that interested me. For a long time I didn't dare to post there as I didn't think I had the necessary intelligence or feminist credentials. So the whole debate would have passed me by if it had been hidden like this.

FFS if you do want to see a topic just search for it

Or just click 'Topics' right next to 'Active' to find the Feminism folder. It's not difficult unless you are thinking-impaired or immensely lazy.

Terrance: women may not know that a particular issue is a feminist issue. They see it in FWR and think, yes, that chimes with me - i really am being taken advantage of/discriminated against etc.

Then all they need to do is search for the feminism boards. It's not difficult. Women are just as capable of using a computer without having information spoon fed to them. Just another example of feminism infantalizing women I suppose.

When I joined MN I looked at the list of talk topics to see what I might enjoy. Then I was told you can Hide Topics so I hid all the ones that I didn't want or need to look at.

It's really not that difficult. And for anything that has escaped from the relevant topic there's Hide Thread. So really it's all covered.

It's easy to say just hide the threads as you go along, but as a mobile app user the active list is already very short, and not too long ago it was literally flooded with trans threads. A) I'd be doing nothing but clicking hide on active b) each trans related thread is taking up space that could instead be occupied by a thread I actually want to see, and tbh I'm not missing the presence of the feminism board as a result c) if I didn't want to see the trans threads I could hide the entire feminism board, well mumsnet has done that for me. I was avoiding hiding the entire board as there are important non-trans feminism topics I actually want to see, not that you'd ever be able to spot them since it's like a needle in a haystack, but if the entire board has to be hidden to get rid of the trans stuff then that's the sacrifice. The regular posters of trans topics in feminism chat complaining about the board being hidden entirely, we'll you've ruined it for yourselves and everyone else by being broken records.

YABU I can look for the categories/threads I’m interested in. I get that these are issues people feel passionately about but like minded folks can find the feminism board easily enough. I’m not a fan of the style of some of the posts on feminism board about trans issues so I don’t read them anymore. But there are posts on the feminism boards I do have an interest in and I can always search and find them.

Anti-trans = latest mantra

I assumed most people clicked on active convos and used the customise to opt in and out of topics that they don't want to see (which is the point of customise, surely). A lazy approach maybe, but I go to Mumsnet to sit and listen in to conversations that interest me (hence the above approach), and that won't happen if those conversations happen in another room

That sounds far more of a faff than clicking on the drop down menu.

I know that not having Special Needs coming up, means I miss lots of posts, because I have to actively search for the topic, so it seems a shame for the same to happen to Feminism as well

I have just "actively searched" Special needs. I have never looked at it before. It took oh all of a second to click on the drop down menu.

MNHQ posted

Hi all

Yes, we've excluded FWR from Active for a bit to see if it helps to take the heat out of the situation I posted about over heree, and which was discussed by MNers over heree. We think it might help reduce goady visits and general antagonism - as you know, it's critical that the debate remains calm and civilised at the moment so we're seeing what works. We'll reevaluate in a week or so.

Cheers
MNHQ

It doesn't take long in Customise to Hide Topics. The only topic I have unhidden after hiding is AIBU because I just got fed up with it for a bit. Everything else that I originally hid-still hidden so no opting in and out all the time.

Then go to Active and look at the list, go down and hide all the threads you don't want to read and see what's left.

they also posted this on a thread

Since this thread is getting near its end, this seems like a good moment to make a really serious point.

We've just made some more deletions on this thread, and we're pretty exasperated tbh - we feel we're running out of ways to say 'please stick within the TGs or risk losing MN as a place to discuss this issue.'

We're really proud of our commitment to free speech, and we put a huge amount of time and resources to enabling this debate to take place - as many of you have pointed out, it's one of the few places left.

To those who haven't yet been able to stop and look at things from our end of the barrel - please understand that you're risking this space for everyone; if you really can't debate civilly with those you disagree with, it might be time to consider that MN is no longer the place for you. We're sorry to have to say this - we don't like it one bit - but tbh nothing else seems to have got through so far: we're at a point of last resort.

Thanks to all those who modify their first instincts and manage to make their points in a calm, considered and civilised manner - even in the face of goadiness. We appreciate it (and so would <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=img.over-blog-kiwi.com/2/15/16/85/20160926/ob_705d85_michelle-02.gif" target="_blank">Michelle..*)

Perhaps if we stopped centering ‘trans’ and started centering ‘women’s rights’ we might get somewhere?

No one that I can see on here is ‘anti-trans’ but mostly ‘pro-women’s rights’. The anti-trans rhetoric comes directly from the TRAs.

Centring women is not the same as excluding trans people as some people shouting ‘Terf’ at us would have us believe.

If you want to read the board then it’s still there.

stop looking desperately for ways to spread this vile, hysterical, utterly ridiculous and paranoid trans hate

Yet another virtue signaller who hasn't actually read the full threads to see that nobody hates trans people, and actually just don't agree with self-id.

For fucks sake!!!!! Getting fucking boring now with this shit.

Not really a faff, I think I customised topics once years ago, then just clicked on Active.

I don't think I am a complete doofus, as implied by some of these comments, and obviously know how to find a topic. However, I didn't realise Mumsnet had hidden topics from us, and until recently didn't realise special needs had disappeared from my active convos as well.

I will just have to se Mumsnet in a different way.

When I came to mumsnet, I couldn't give a shiny shit, what was posted on the feminist boards, never wanted to venture there either.

But as I use active threads the most, over time found myself reading posts from feminist boards. On lots of topics. Yes now it's not a problem for me to just go straight there.

But how many other users like me, have ended up being interested in feminist chat, because they clicked on a link from active?

I agree at the moment there are a lot of threads about the erosion of women's rights, and what the TRAs have managed to disrupt.

But I still find other stuff on there, and until recently that other stuff would appear in active to.

Why is it so important, that you should only seek something out if you are interested in it.

Why can't people accept that others just go about there business and until someone says "hey did you know about this?" They are not going to look for something they don't know about.

It's not spoon feeding. It's just having a board in active conversation, where someone might take an interest in a post and read it. What is so wrong with that?

By the same token people might see a thread come up in Active on a topic they don't want to read about or comment on so they can then go and hide the topic so they don't see any more threads.

I didn’t know that about Special Needs disappearing from Active Convos.

I don’t think topics should be muted. If they are ‘active’ they are relevant. And if there are numerous threads on one topic, it’s because it’s being discussed by users (obviously).

The debate has opened up the Feminism boards, which I for one found a little daunting before all this.

I understand why MN muted Feminism - but I don’t think it was for our benefit. I suspect it was as a compromise for the TRAs and advertisers. I don’t object to that as such, I appreciate the position MN is in and I support their stance if they think it’s necessary. I applaud MN in keeping the debate open.

Yes they can sparkling

Yep we are all grown ups and can sort it out.

It doesn’t need to be under feminism. It could be in chat anyway.
Or under: ,do you want laws made according to facts or on a subjective opinion of someone’. Perhaps in the ‘legal’ section?

I don't agree with a lot of things on the FWR board so I don't often post on it, but sometimes there's stuff on there that I like to read about to get better informed. So I didn't want to hide it.

The trans threads have killed that. By refusing to listen to MNHQ on the trans threads FWR have lost the ability to reach people like me.

Are MNHQ treating us like children? Well yes, because we're behaving like children.