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To wish the grand national wasnt an event

197 replies

Dineout112 · 14/04/2018 09:05

I hate it as so many horses get badly injured or even killed . I don’t know how people can enjoy it 🙁

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FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 14/04/2018 12:04

ye i really hate showjumping tbh.
I worked in a top showjumping stable for a short while and was NOT impressed with what i saw.

mydogisthebest · 14/04/2018 12:04

I hate ALL horse racing (greyhound racing too). In this day and age it's disgusting. Just one horse being injured or killed is one too many.

All the rubbish about how the horses love to race and jump. They wouldn't run if they didn't want to (rubbish), they run without a jockey (yes because they are confused and frightened a lot of the time).

If even half the amount of jockeys got killed or injured I am pretty sure racing would come to an end. The jockeys though get a choice, the poor horses don't .

One horse has already died at Aintree and quite a few were killed at Cheltenham. I can't imagine what sort of people actually go to a horse race (well I can because I have seen them in the newspapers). Stupid ignorant people who care more about putting a bet on and getting drunk than animal welfare

ManicUnicorn · 14/04/2018 12:06

Race horses live in better conditions than some humans I know of!

BadLad · 14/04/2018 12:08

Looks a pretty good pick, Shox.

Saltcrust · 14/04/2018 12:09

They weren’t born to run.

They were born to graze. They are prey animals. They gallop full pelt to get away from a predator in short bursts rather than endured galloping for a sustained length of time.

Yes, we have bred them to maximise speed and endurance but nonetheless horses were no more born to charge at top speed for a lengthy period than any other prey animal.

Sorry but this isn't true. I think this James May video explains why better than I can.

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  • heart bigger than a volleyball
-lungs that laid flat out would cover the size of 10 tennis courts -ability to pump 75 gallons of blood around their body in under 2 mins
  • a spleen which provides a "supercharge" of red blood cells when horse is going at its fastest

But yes, it's great horse welfare to let these majestic beasts just loll around in a field and do nothing. Or let's just let them become extinct which they will do if not raced - look what has happened to heavy horses now they are no longer in work - the Suffolk Punch is rarer than the giant panda.

There is nothing wrong at all with an animals doing what it is bred for and in my own personal experiences, animals, just like humans, are happier when they have a "job" ie a good balance between exercise, stimulation and relaxation and rest.

Btw - have you ever visited any horses who are "born to graze"? Because I have (semi-feral horses in Argentina which are left to graze and breed and only rounded up to be recorded once a year) and they were the most miserable bunch of equines I had seen in a long time. Not all of them, but many were thin from lack of food and high worm burdens, dragging infected or broken limbs, eaten away by flies. Horrid.

southernNights · 14/04/2018 12:14

me: In the US, for example, over 500,000 children as young as 6 harvest 25% of crops.

Speedy85: whatever

Hmm
Chrys2017 · 14/04/2018 12:14

mydogisthebest Couldn't have said it better!

Chrys2017 · 14/04/2018 12:18

animals, just like humans, are happier when they have a "job" ie a good balance between exercise, stimulation and relaxation and rest.

That would apply perhaps to a very well-cared for leisure horse whose owner takes it out for a ride two or three times a week, but certainly not to any horse that is involved in the sporting industry.

Sarkyharky · 14/04/2018 12:18

11 or 12 people have died running the London Marathon. Perhaps the OP would like to ban that as well?

Speedy85 · 14/04/2018 12:20

Yes southernNights. Take things out of context. Sounds like something you're expert at.

I'm not going to respond to any further posts from you. You're clearly a troll.

Sarkyharky · 14/04/2018 12:20

I work with sporting horses, racehorses, event horses. They are looked after extremely well, they have to be. Traveller's horses are the ones that are the absolute worst IMe. Trotting races on roads wreck horses legs permanently

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 14/04/2018 12:26

@Sarkyharky I get shivers when I see them trotting so fast on the roads, I just keeping thinking SPLINTS! SPLINTS!

Saltcrust · 14/04/2018 12:30

Why Chrys2017 (genuine question)

All thoroughbreds in training have a fallow period during the year according to whether they are flat or NH horses. Thoroughbreds in training (in NH anyway which is the area I know about) on average race at a race track once a month or less on average. And in the season they work up from gentle walking and trotting to more strenuous gallops twice or three times a week. In between they are taken for a quick blow or canter. It's all monitored and scheduled very carefully. And believe me, any slight swelling or heat in the legs and racehorses are laid off immediately to recover.

WashingMatilda · 14/04/2018 12:35

All these hilarious posters hijacking the thread to discuss betting tactics rah rah rah rah what jolly japes you are just too much.
Hmm

Andrewofgg · 14/04/2018 12:46

whydobirds When you say racing makes rich people richer and poor people poorer do you mean through betting?

If so you are probably one of the people who call the Lottery a tax on the poor. Nobody, rich or poor, has to buy a ticket or bet on whether one horse will run faster than another. It's a matter of personal choice and the "tax" and "exploitation" arguments are patronising - sorry about the male word, I don't know a non-gendered alternative.

I don't bet on horses because I know nothing about them, but I am not bothered if others do.

Dineout112 · 14/04/2018 13:19

Sarkyharky - people have a choice, horses don’t

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FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 14/04/2018 13:22

yes they do. If they don't want to run, they don't.

Coastalcommand · 14/04/2018 13:30

Didn’t a horse die at Aintree on Thursday?

Chrys2017 · 14/04/2018 14:14

Why Chrys2017 (genuine question)

I believe horses should be treated like living creatures—they like and need to run spontaneously, kick their heels, play with one another, bask in the sun with their eyes closed, mosey around their pasture. And yes, in my experience they enjoy being ridden and interacting with their humans, on a limited basis.
Race horses are treated like machines and when they are no good any more (or if they don't make the grade in the first place) they are disposed of.

mellowyellow2018 · 14/04/2018 14:19

The hores are owned by rich people - It’s just another tax on the poor.

And to boot they send a dailymail photographer along so the rich people can laugh at the poor people.

mellowyellow2018 · 14/04/2018 14:20

Horses*

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 14/04/2018 14:21

mellowyellow have you been smoking banana skins again?..Grin

mellowyellow2018 · 14/04/2018 14:24

Haha! Well ok who owns the horses?

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 14/04/2018 14:28

rich people / syndicates i suppose...

But an awful lot of non-rich people make a living from the industry...

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 14/04/2018 14:29

Ive seen the outfits on those poor people. I wish I was poor enough to own one of their hats.

People who can afford them own the horses. Horses arent cheap but it doesnt mean that its a dig at people who cant and I cant see why its a tax.