Syria, Russia and the U.S

[DNAnotGRA]

AIBU to be very concerned about the latest events regarding Syria. It would seem the U.S is hell bent on a hot war in the region, the potential ripple effect would be catastrophic. Trumps tweet reads:

"Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520

I wouldn’t worry, it’s all panto and propaganda.

If it is panto, it’s the kind of panto that risks machine gunning the audience.

Whichever way you cut it, if we cannot reach some kind of accord with Russia open war is becoming inevitable at some stage. They cannot be allowed to bully, intimidate and invade.

Crimea, Ukraine, Syria, lityinvenko poisoning, cyber and propaganda warfare against western countries, they are the proverbial playground bully

Its only what we are being told though is it not? whats the real truth?

Crimea and Ukraine? Putin has cause far far far less deaths in those countries than we have in Iraq, Afghan and most recently Libya.....
Syria? had we kept our grubby interfering hands out of the place at the beginning or even supported Assad, this war would have lasted a few months but oh no! we knew best and supported and armed the rebels, this allowed in all sorts of Islamist terrorists
like it or not, countries like Iraq and Syria need a dictator, they are not ready for democracy.... Syria used to be a reasonable place to live work and study, thanks to us, it is a fcuking hell hole and had Russia not stepped in, that place would now be another Iraq.

We should butt out, its all very well getting on our high horse over chemicals but what about the 10s of 1000s we have bombed, killed and maimed in the last few years? the dead don't care how they died.

countries like Iraq and Syria need a dictator, they are not ready for democracy

holy fuck 😐

Thank you for engaging with my concerns. The ramping up of rhetoric seems to be increasing by the hour. Having visited Syria in the 1970's it saddens me to see what is happening there, the Syrian people are so warm and welcoming but their current life is like a living hell.

terrifying isn't it, the number of posters on here that believe everything the Daily Fail says.

Not nearly as much as those who believe everything Pravda RT says.

(For the record I wouldn't be seen dead reading the Fail.)

Assad is winning the war against ISIS in Syria. The "rebels" are backed by the West, namely the US. Trump has been floating the idea of pulling out of Syria for a while, something the rebels would NOT LIKE, seeing as they are funded and armed by them. I think it's MUCH more likely that this is a staged event by rebel forces to guarantee US intervention in the area. They're calling on their haunners for back up. This is a much more likely scenario than Assad gassing his own people because he's evil incarnate, it is showing the revels that "he won". Everybody already knows he's winning, he doesn't need to pull this off to hammer home the message. To do so, to draw the 'eye of Sauron' as it were, would be political, and quite possibly literal suicide.

it's scary, yes. I'm less scared of Putin than I am of Trump. That's not saying that I think a lot of Putin but I think he's more rational. Trump is, it seems, an impulsive fool who tweets first and thinks later if at all

YANBU OP . I am very concerned about where this is all leading.

I agree with MadameEdam's points.

Funny how Trump is making all this anti-Russian noise while the special investigator closes in on his lawyer, Michael Cohen.

Paul Ryan announced today that he will not seek re-election once his term ends. The rats are deserting the sinking ship, and Trump is busily orchestrating drama to distract both Democrats and GOP alike from the sordid mess that Mueller will shortly expose.

'Russia' and 'Putin' are dog whistles in American culture and politics.

Thank you for engaging with my concerns. The ramping up of rhetoric seems to be increasing by the hour. Having visited Syria in the 1970's it saddens me to see what is happening there, the Syrian people are so warm and welcoming but their current life is like a living hell

this, i knew some people who travelled around Syria in the early 90s, warm and welcoming, keep your opinions to your self and all was fine.
It was never perfect but it was a whole heap better than it is now.

we are sooooo concerned about the Syrians that we ve done jack shit to help them for many years as they languished in camps in Jordan and Turkey, eventually they started to leave and we let them drown of the coast of Greece or the Med but hey the moment Putin gets involved and we will risk WW3 to "help" them.......

More like 'the moment political capital can be made out of Russia's involvement we threaten WW3 - on them as well as everyone else'.

This is all about control over gas and oil pipelines, yes?

I was really shocked when DP asserted that it's an ideological war. Surely no-one believes that any more?

@ Heyduggeesflipflop

How brainwashed are you?

1. Irak. America claims that chemical weapons were used starts years of war thousands die -- later turns out there had been no chemical weapons and it was all made up.
   What makes you think it's different this time?

2. America is 'worried' about a chemical attack. The guys who destroyed two cities(!!!) with nuclear(!!!) bombs.

It's like a guy who knocked down a neighbour's house and then gets furious because someone toppled over one of his garden figures.

3. America had destabilized Egypt (tourist from the UK used to go there, righ? not anymore), Lebanon, etc. Now they want to do the same with Syria. They want to have their military next to Russia. Now this is supposedly Ok. But imagine if it was the other way round? And Russia placed some rockets in Cuba and Guadalajara? There'd be outcry!

The whole planet doesn't belong to America.

YANBU

We need to pause and think here.

I STILL have not seen evidence provided that Assad was responsible.

I would urge anyone who is concerned to email their MP and Number 10 with their concerns. Cabinet meets this afternoon. No time to waste. I sent the following:-

Dear Prime Minister,

I am a resident of (my constituency), a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party and a Veteran who served in both the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. I am writing to you today with regards to possible upcoming UK military action in response to an apparent chemical attack in Douma, Syria.

I feel a deep sense of unease regarding a military response without having confirmation from the ground that this attack is what it seems. Assad seemingly had no motivation to cross the despicable line of resorting to chemical warfare which is a disgusting affront to humanity. Should evidence unquestionably be presented that he is responsible then i would support the UK government in a response they see fit to ensure such a barbaric act was not repeated.

The “evidence” I have seen reported so far has not so far convinced me. The journalism coming out of Syria is at best skewed. A confrontation with Russian forces embedded in Syria and its wider implications is something we should all think very hard about before committing to. I urge the government to present the British public with evidence of the incident and its perpetrators as a minimum before taking action.

We have seen the results of a “March to War” without getting the facts absolutely right before. It is my belief that doing so again could prove absolutely disastrous both in Syria and potentially at home.

Yours Sincerely

Fieldsrus

You can email Number 10 directly

email.number10.gov.uk/

It takes no time.

Friends - I’m not brainwashed, you are paranoid.

Whichever way you cut it the only reason we have not had a major global confrontation (all out war) since 1945 is a. The existence of nuclear weapons make the risks too high for all and b. Security of most Western European nations has been underwritten by the USA via nato.

Putin needs to be stopped by hook or crook.

The point is that none of us know what the hell is going on and none of us know who the hell to believe. It's not paranoia, it's a sensible state of mind given the politics of the last few decades.

I am more inclined to listen to British diplomatic staff, present and past, than I am Trump or Putin. Or Johnson. Why do we have such a bunch of clowns on offer.

we have not had a major global confrontation (all out war) since 1945 is a. The existence of nuclear weapons make the risks too high for all

Agree absolutely.

There's been an organization which was set up after WW2 to stop further wars -- UN , which Trump now ignores and disrespects completely.

Trump is a loose cannon.

He's been so afraid of being accused of having ties with Russia that he now wants to blow stuff up to deny it.

I think there is something to that ^^.

Jas - I take issue with this from you

^^Crimea and Ukraine? Putin has cause far far far less deaths in those countries than we have in Iraq,

So are we saying that invading independent neighbours boils down to your sense of whether the body count is proportionate? Are you for real? Does that mean I can burgle my neighbour so long as I don’t injure anybody when I do so?

Some of you are letting your dislike of trump cloud your common sense. You can’t just cry fake news when you hear things that don’t agree with your tin foil hat world views...

The news gives me the impression that it seems to have settled down a little this morning, I suppose we'll see what happens later when Trump wakes up.