Anti Brexit - who in the hell do I vote for?

[Efferlunt]

I’m always voted and take it seriously as a civic duty but, for the first time ever, aibu not to bother at the locals this May?

Tories seem intent on a ruinous Brexit that will leave us downing in cheap inports of chlorinated chicken, Labour doing nothing to stop them as they seem to think Brexit is a change to build a socialist paradise. Lib Dems are an irrelevance now as even fewer people vote for them.

Surely I can’t be the only person to feel like this? Where is the stop Brexit party and why is no one demanding one?

I always voted for Labour in the past but will never vote for them again because of Brexit. I voted for the Lib Dems in the last election for the first time ever. I would vote for the Greens, but they have even less of a chance than the Lib Dems. If I lived in Brighton I would vote for them.

I think as long as you vote and as long as you never vote for the Tories, then you're ok.

And maybe a more direct agreement would benefit us?

Yes, Australia's intention to make us accept hormone-pumped beef as a condition of a deal is just going to be marvellous for us, isn't it?

We don't have local elections where I live, but if we did I'd probably vote Lib Dem. I'm a member of the Labour party and usually vote either Labour or Lib Dem, depending on which I think will do better locally (my priority is to increase the vote against the Tories, as we are a Tory stronghold).

My main concern is Brexit. It will affect everything, so saying it's not a local issue is daft. I hate the general feeling in this country since the vote, I hate the voice it's given to the racist minority, and I want someone to stand up, be a proper opposition and demand Parliament acts in the country's best interests. I don't think any party is actually doing this at the moment but the Lib Dems are at least visibly anti-Brexit. I would happily vote Labour if either Corbyn changed party policy to be anti-Brexit, or someone decent became party leader. I'm not at all happy about all the crap going on in the party at the moment, but am hopeful it will all implode or cause a proper split soon.

I hate the general feeling in this country since the vote

I agree with that but for some different (additional) reasons. It has certainly been very divisive.

I hate the racism that has been uncovered. I also hate the outright hatred displayed on here and elsewhere towards anyone who voted leave (the small minority don’t forget)

Seems like we agree in some areas, Curious. I've found that is usually true, when talking in real life, User. There is far more common ground than many people think. But that is only if you can get past "drowning in chlorinated chicken" or "make us accept hormone-pumped beef" statements.

Such statements, when heard in real life, are intended to act as full stops. To end discussion with the person saying it believing they have scored a meaningful point.

Truth be told, I am not even sure that the distance involved will be a problem, after all almost all our fresh, never been frozen, all year round green beans come from Kenya!

And, we have been a Launching Pad for decades, a Gateway might be a pleasant change! More seriously, I am not so pessimistic, and, whereas I am bemused by the current 'blue passport' decision, it leaves me deeply suspicious of the intellect behind it, I have faith that UK businesses will be able to work out good deals.

Vickie - I agree that Brexit will affect everything. My local concerns include funding for schools, lack of support for poor families (Sure Start centres closing, etc.), poor road conditions, increase in crime levels, anti-social behaviour and hate crimes - all of these issues require funding to solve them. Brexit is set to make us a poorer nation, at least in the short term - and that's without taking into consideration all the effort and resources each party is currently putting into their Brexit plans - which distracts them from thinking about other issues. I'll be voting Lib Dem and I'm looking forward to being able to put a cross next to a party that is categorically anti Brexit this time.

NOW is the time for getting on with ensuring we get the best we can from it. And that means having to accept it is happening and working out how you can affect what happens from here on in

why? i didnt support Brexit!

Brexitiers have if nothing else, bought about division in this country that will take generations to heal, as there is no going back!
so, we could vote in Corbyn and 5 years later & get rid but re-joining the EU isnt possible, as we d have no opt outs and would have to adopt the Euro, unlikely.
No, Brexitiers have caused this mess, they can make the best of it, in this i do agree with Rees-Mogg, the vote meant leaving the EU, not cherry picking and being a rule taker/paying in with no say.
Fortunately i am able to get an Irish passport and my daughter has an Australian one, so i dont really care tbh.

I cant see myself voting in any future elections, if the politicians can completely ignore 48% of the vote and take us down such a path based on 17m out of 46m voters, there really is zero point anymore.

Sorry, jasjas. I hate such circular arguments.

There are many things that have long been a reality that I didn't vote for... but I still get on with my life and make the best of it. That is why I am fairly active in local politics. Not because I think Corbyn or any party leader is deserving of my vote, but because my community is. As I said earlier, the only way to make a real, sustained change is via grassroots politics, and that means using your vote sensibly. And I don't care if you are pro or against Brexit... just vote based on your local needs!

But no, you say that you will leave the UK, which sounds more like throwing your rattle of out of your pram than the actions of a grown up! But I suppose it means that you and your vote can be ignored. Is that really what you want? To make yourself inconsequential? To opt out because things aren't precisely to your liking?

If so thenyou don't deserve a vote, a voice. It is a privilege to have a free vote. It is unacceptable, no matter what your personal politics are, to devalue that.

I won't be voting as cba, tbh.
Brexit has been decided so is happening anyway, all parties are a bunch of liars and self interested anyway.

The 48%(+) have been doing a lot. As a pp said, check twitter #fbpe and #WATON (we are the resistance now) Much is happening on FB. What we do is rarely mentioned on the media, not at all on the BBC, or very underplayed. There was a rally in Leeds a couple of weeks ago with thousands. The BBC reported 100s.

We have street stalls - there will be a lot next weekend. The current campaign is to send postcards to MPs, and many of the street stalls will be carrying a stock.

There is a government petition still being signed asking that government should have a real vote at the end of the negotiations, to
include the option to remain. Please sign this petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205169.

It will have a proper debate on the 30th of this month and people are invited to be in Westminster that day. I think this link should be visible to everyone www.facebook.com/events/604704556531663/

If anyone would like more information on the stop brexit movement, please pm me.

To get back on topic, local councils are very affected by brexit. Hammersmith has taken the step of calling on government for a referendum on the terms and to stop a hard brexit. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/hammersmith-fulham-council-eu-1-5370167

I shall be considering my vote very carefully. Our local group has written to all the candidates we know of so far, asking them for their views. Certainly I will not vote for any individual who is pro brexit. Ideally, I'd like to see our existing effective and decent local councillors be re-elected but for all Tory and Labour votes to be significantly lower than they would like. Thus sending a powerful message to the different pro brexit parties. Interesting that Sunderland have had a swing to the Lib Dems.

Mainland EU citizens can vote in this election - make your vote count.

Yes to all of Biber's suggestions. Anyone who wants to get active knows what to do now. I'll be taking part in the action day this Saturday in my local town.

Its quite simple, if you are pro-Brexit, I don't trust your intelligence.

CuriousaboutSamphire is the voice of reason.

Brexit is happening so it's pointless voting for an anti-Brexit party and another referendum is only in the dreams of Remainers who are sticking to their doom and gloom come what may.

jasjas1973
I cant see myself voting in any future elections, if the politicians can completely ignore 48% of the vote and take us down such a path based on 17m out of 46m voters, there really is zero point anymore.

Bizarre. What do you suggest? That the 52% majority should have
been ignored instead.

I read of so many on here getting EU passports - I do hope it means you're moving to those countries after Brexit? Quite honestly the country can do without the constant outpouring of negativity.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

It's about the philosophy of the party though and I don't share the philosophy of the pro brexit parties so no I won't be voting for them.

Its quite simple, if you are pro-Brexit, I don't trust your intelligence.

I know, thats why I can never vote for Corbyn

Curious you are the one who appears to be unable to get past the ‘drowning in chlorinated chicken’ point. I though it was witty hyperbole to succinctly make my point but hey ho! It is a real issue whatever your views on Brexit most people don’t want poorer food standards but Brexit might leave us with no choice but to accept any deal going.

I’d be very suprised if most commonwealth countries thought they were ‘sort of us’ as opposed to have been invaded by us at some point which I’m sure will make them kindly disposed towards us....

This will be my only chance to make my anti Brexit views known as Labour are waving it though and I will never vote Conservative in any vote ever. So, I will vote Lib Dem or Green. We are sleepwalking into disaster and no one seems to care.

Anyway I’m getting distracted I didn’t actually mean to get in to the ins and outs of Brexit. I’m not going to change my mind and I respect that other people are unlikely to either.

Voting for an anti Brexit candidate belonging to the Brexit parties of Conservative or Labour won't work btw. It has to be an anti Brexit party.

Look how the Brexit arseholes claim that the votes for Labour in the last election shows the country is united behind Brexit, when the fact is a great many Remainers tactically voted for them.

Not sure why you had a go at Curious after her first post when she actually answered your question ??

I have to agree with everyone who is reminding you that these are local elections... your councillors have nothing to do with the implementation of Brexit! Your vote should be for the councillor and party you believe best placed to deliver on local issues.

This will be my only chance to make my anti Brexit views known

Did you miss the referendum and the General Election after it somehow?

@CuriousaboutSamphire
a while back i would have agreed with you but as i said brexit is very different, there really is no going back and why exactly should i accept that????

If there were a party i could support that campaigned effectively to stay in the EU, then sure, i d not have posted and would vote BUT there isnt nor is there any sign of one.

I do however fundamentally disagree with voting on local needs, local Government is Local Government in name only (in England) councils have no real powers, funding cuts mean they are utterly hamstrung, regardless of party, they are there as an extension of central government, i ll give one example housing...Gov sets the targets, councils have little say, cant built social housing.
so if you do vote, vote on national policies, certainly not local issues.

btw my choice to vote or not is also my democratic right, not yours to give or take away, as is emigration FOM an all that lol!

I too wish our voting system was PR.

My party of choice would still have won and for those like the SNP it'd give a fairer representation of how much power they should have.

And as for those talking about re-joining the EU - hah!! You think there'll still be an EU in 10 years time????

Voting for an anti Brexit candidate belonging to the Brexit parties of Conservative or Labour won't work btw.

Voting for an anti Brexit party in local elections isn’t going to have much effect either realistically is it ?