To think it's not moral to knowingly sell products to people

[OutofSyncGirl]

That you know they won't need or are bad value for money? I know it's necessary part of many jobs to sell things but when does it become wrong?

I know people can say know but some are vulnerable eg. Old people.

No I mean! Tired clearly

You’re remit is too large.
I buy many things that are bad value eg candle you’re literally burning money and arguably I don’t need jo malone but I want it
Depends on capacity to understand the transaction and consent to the purchase
Mis-selling items is wholly different from whimsy purchases

I think what I mean is people who cold call

Again,Depends on capacity to understand the transaction and consent to the purchase
But in general yes Cold calling is generally a pressured way to sell tat or substandard items

Oh I love taunting cold callers. I sing Agadoo down the phone at them.
I thought this was going to be about MLM .

That's the whole point of Capitalism though. To blur the bounds between want and need is it's driving force.

One of the obvious examples is extended guarantees. Apparently some don't actually provide anything

Martin Lewis,moneytips he regularly posts about cold calling & buyer rights

'That's the whole point of Capitalism though. To blur the bounds between want and need is it's driving force.'

Yes. I think what I mean is that I couldn't do it myself. I think you've got to be a bit unscrupulous.

Not necessarily. Work is suspension or forgoing of ones time for a salary
I don’t have a problem with that,it’s a straightforward transaction

I have to sell products as part of my job but I only work in places where I feel the product ranges could genuinely benefit the client.

Not being provocative,but you would say that wouldn’t you

Well yes I can see what you mean. But, as an example I have to sell Elemis. I only use Elemis myself. I would not work somewhere that sells Dermalogica because I don't use it. Personally.

I think that's a poor example OP. I don't really know much about either of the products you mention but it sounds like one over the other is purely down to preference. There's nothing particularly immoral about trying to sell something if people are perfectly able to say no. Pressure selling and MLM are different as arguably people are exploiting their position to get a sale. I know others will disagree but MLM makes me uncomfortable because people use their social connections and guilt tripping to sell, ("you're supporting another mum") rather than the quality of the product, but it's not for charity or anything so it's a bit much imo.

But, as an example I have to sell Elemis. I only use Elemis myself. I would not work somewhere that sells Dermalogica because I don't use it

No, I'm sorry but that's an absolutely ridiculous example. If you truly think it's immoral to sell things to people that they don't actually need then pointing out the bleeding obvious you wouldn't sell either of these expensive brands.

By that measure all those aldi and lidl workers should hang their heads in shame knowing they are employed by a company who tempts people with their Aisle of Wonder. God how do they look at themselves in the mirror

I think in reality not everyone has that much choice. I once worked in a call centre doing charity fundraising and it was awful. We had targets to hit our we'd be disciplined, they listened in to our calls to tell us where we went wrong if people said no. In an ideal world people would be able to walk away from jobs like that but the fact is there are more people than jobs. Most people don't enjoy that kind of work, they're in it out of necessity.

But I do actually believe that some products help to stop premature aging. Notice I say premature. So what that means is that some products can help with exposure to free radicals and might prevent damage which is not the natural aging process but from the environment .the rest is genetic. You might believe it's untrue but i personally buy these things myself because I think it helps. There are always people who say you may as well stick Vaseline on but we'll see how they look in 20 years time...

Yes Madcatter I do agree. I too have also had a job like that.

In reality most people have to sell to some extent. I'm trying to decide which residential school for my autistic dd and both are trying to sell their good points of course.

I think it's the people who gloat about selling someone a guarantee that they can't use

So this is actually a covert ad for Elemis? Fuck off, OP.

But no one needs to not ‘prematurely age’, whatever that means.

So then OutofSync presumably you have a cut off age and you wouldn't take advantage of say, a 65 year old who looks it, by selling them an expensive face moisturizer? And of course your employer would be perfectly fine with that.

I only work in places where I feel the product ranges could genuinely benefit the client.

So where’s that then, OP?

Essentially you're trying to elevate your preferred brand over others.selling
The actual science is any moisturiser and or humectant and sunscreen potentially prevents sign of ageing
One doesn’t need to buy your promoted brand to obtain the same effects

Usually clients have particular facials like Caci and it's your job to recommend products for them to use at home in between facials to maximise results.

Elemis has actually had clinical trials to support claims. Whereas Dermalogica doesn't.

Other brands are of course available...