To wonder who is actually responsible for rising murder rates in london

[SaucyJane]

So slimy frog faced Nigel Farage is blaming Sadiq Khan as mayor and particularly for reducing stop and search. There are also other calls for Khan to resign.

But surely there is only so much Khan can do if the government makes huge cuts to the police. And weren't those cuts made under Maggie May?

I didn't vote for Khan to be the mayor, and I am no fan of his, but it seems to me that it is unfair to blame it on him, and that the answer is probably partly government cuts and partly some of his changes since being mayor.

AIBU?

Men, probably

OK Vitalogy

You are responsible.

I am not.

Nice avoidance of the question there. I answered it: start with ourselves and how we treat others

We are not all responsible.

Those responsible are those in the gangs/groups that commit these acts. You don’t have to be violent to deal drugs one Is a business transaction albeit illegal but it’s not assult. Choosing to assult someone or murder someone is off your back.

Ok.

So how do you treat others and how are you going to change it?

That's a singular you. Not a plural one.

We are all responsible.

Get. To. Fuck.

policecommander.wordpress.com/2017/01/19/addicted-to-violence/#more-485

If I’m not allowed to post it then so be it . But this was written by a truly honourable man that I’m proud to have served under , and I think he speaks a lot of sense .

Nice deflection from the poster blaming everyone.

Haven’t read through the thread in detail. Interesting article today by a former police officer on this issue. As always, multifactorial reasons for increase but he claims austerity one significant factor.

“Added to my experience of policing over three decades, it seemed to me that if young people did not feel safe and secure, they could be swayed by peer pressure or crime gangs into carrying knives, and so knife crime would increase. And if vulnerable youngsters, often traumatised by exposure to violence, directly or indirectly, are not given any emotional or psychological support they can internalise their emotions, only to erupt with the minimum of provocation, resulting in violent episodes and tit-for-tat reprisals. If this is overlaid by the misuse of drugs, alcohol, social media and violent music, you have a cocktail of volatility that can spread like a disease.

Sadly, services aimed at safeguarding young people have been drastically cut by the government’s austerity strategy. Therefore it shouldn’t be a shock that knife crime increased by more than 25% last year, following gradual increases beforehand. And the devastating consequences have been the increasing number of deaths and life-changing injuries.”

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/05/police-stop-and-search-knife-crime

The people committing the murders are responsible. Them, and only them. Picking up a weapon and killing someone is a choice. No one makes you do it.

Drugs. Legalise, regulate and tax all drugs.

Multifactorial Likely to be
poverty
Gang culture
Lack of good role models to model appropriate behaviour
Grooming and initiation into gangs
Peer pressure
Lack of opportunities and disillusioned with current social status
opportunity to gain status and profile in gang

The Glasgow model of working with those at risk knife,gang crime reduced fatalities
Between 2011 and 2016, no fatalities aged under the age of 20 killed with a knife in Glasgow.
Model embraced collaborative health,social work and policing a joined up approach

Gang culture that promotes the idea of aspiring to be a gangsta and that being bad is glamourous and cool. Until that stops, these deaths will mount up.

Legalising drugs is simply too simplistic and not the solution
If a legal minimum price is set,criminals will undercut that min price selling for less
Supply & demand will cause criminals to sell at less than official price simply generating an underground drug market

I’m not sure i agree 100% that young boys from certain areas of society have a totally free choice about joining gangs or what happens when they do.

I'd like to hear more views of young BME Londoners. As they are the ones most likely to be affected.

No gang members don’t all have a free balanced choice
Kids are groomed,selected and initiated.vulnerable kids
poverty
Gang culture
Lack of good role models to model appropriate behaviour
Grooming and initiation into gangs
Peer pressure
Lack of opportunities and disillusioned with current social status
opportunity to gain status and profile in gang

As well as the many other factors mentioned, I've noticed the increasing pressure on schools to cut back on pastoral support in order to divert funds towards the measurable headline figures that the likes of OFSTED are interested in. What impact are the cuts to all of the support systems having on families and children? It really looks as though we are seeing the unravelling of society.

Isn't the youth unemployment rate in some London boroughs running at 70 or 80% and has been for years? meaning inter generational poverty and no working role models.
If you ve no real hope and no role models via youth workers, no stable family unit, why is life, yours or anyone else going to matter?

Unless there is good intervention to halt the cycle of violence and poor parenting all this will continue, SAS just pisses innocent kids off & hides the problem, kids are not stupid and will find ways to hide weapons, also given the cuts in Police numbers and CPSO in particular, who is gathering the intel or can carry out searches?

Something else to highlight for the stop and search is the answer crew: an internal met police review found that 27% of those stops carried out were actually illegal.

Food for thought

“The people committing the murders are responsible. Them, and only them. Picking up a weapon and killing someone is a choice. No one makes you do it.”

In some cases this is true. But a lot of it is well justified fear. That if you can’t defend yourself you will end up stabbed. You get roped in because the bigger gang members on your estate are either your protectors or your tormentors. They beat you up, they kidnap you, You tell the police, the police hold YOU against the wall and tell you that unless you are prepared to testify they won’t listen. So you agree to help them identify the gang but tell them you can’t be identified. The police agree, bundle you into the back of a police car and drive you into the heart of the gang’s estate. When they said they wouldn’t. (I’m not making this up, by the way, I was in tne police car when all this happened to a 15 year old who was on work experience with me).

You MIGHT be able to imagine what happens when the gang on your estate see you co-operating with the police. One thing the gang will want is to have something over you, so that you can never again go to the police without compromising yourself. Fear, fear, fear, or fall in line as a lil’soldier. Some really good, decent kids get sucked in. They have no adult who can help them. They carry knives for self defence and then it all, inevitably, goes wrong.

What a laughably stupid post from the OP and no, I haven't RTWT. Sure there's other factors involved which other people have mentioned but in terms of responsibility then that lies only with the perpetrators.

Khan deflecting on the news tonight, saying it's a nationwide problem, the whole point is the statistics coming from London.

Never mind Farage, he's irrelevant in this and that's deflecting too.

3 more teenagers stabbed in east London tonight