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To go NC with best friend over this?

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StubbornOrSensible · 01/04/2018 10:08

More of a 'was I being unreasonable' as me and let's call her 'Chloe' have fallen out and have been NC for a year. Only thinking about it again because I got together with an old friend for drinks and she asked how 'Chloe' was and I said we haven't spoken in a year+ and she was so shocked and said something about "how sad you gave up five year friendship over that" and it raised the question did I over react? Because I really don't think I did.

Going to start off by saying although she was my best friend there were some things about her that always hurt me, but she was stubborn and you couldnt argue with her or convince her of anything so I never raised them and just sort of accepted they were parts of her.

After 4 years of it basically always being just me and Chloe, she started to get close with this one girl, 'Natasha' and the two over the course of a year became practically inseparable. I'd still see Chloe as long as I texted first, made the plans, picked her up and dropped her home but that was as far as it went. She'd leave my messages ignored for days but still be fine when she saw me so I kept on trying to see past it.

Natasha and I had been friends once as we were all part of the same friendship group at uni so one night they invited me to some drinks at her place. It was the first time I saw how Chloe and Natasha were together and it made me jealous, and I felt so stupid but it really hurt me. They just seemed so close and had all these inside jokes and Chloe treated her house like her own (when at mine she acts like a guest) and it was just the opposite of how Chloe acts with me. That night we were all in Natasha's bedroom and those two popped out for a cigarette and I stayed in the room. Was looking at polaroid pictures of us back in uni on her notice board on the wall and saw there was a letter pinned up on this notice board handwritten from Chloe. The letter was literally gushing like "you are the best friend I have ever had. Thank you so much for all you do for me." Loads more inside jokes etc and talking about all their memories over the last year of being close. I just shrugged it off but it stung that Chloe cared enough about Natasha to write handwritten letters and I'd never had so much as a birthday card or a thank you for anything over 4 years of friendship and I'd paid to take her on holiday after her boyfriend cheated on her.

Chloe referred to Natasha as the most important person in her life, and these things sound so immature I'll probably get ripped apart but it's hard not to take it personally - Over 4 years of friendship Chloe had never posted a single photo of me and her on her social media, there were probably around 50 of her and Natasha. She also would tweet things like "My best friend is an idiot' and a funny screenshot of a text from her and stuff. I just started to feel really fucking invisible. Chloe would still come over sometimes, but would be constantly messaging Natasha, again it hurt because she always messaged her to arrange plans and see each other but it was a fact, me and Chloe would never see each other or speak unless I initiated contact. I tested this theory to see if I was just making plans before she had the chance and we went nearly a month with no contact at all until I caved and messaged her again.

Birthdays and Christmas' passed and Natasha would post pictures of all her presents from Chloe, again I had never had a present from her in 5 years of friendship. I started to say to Chloe that I feel really insignificant compared to Natasha and she'd say just because we were each other's only friend for 5 years doesn't mean she can't have new ones and would make me feel like a jealous, possessive twat. I admit I was jealous of their friendship but it mainly just hurt me how different Chloe treated her, how appreciative Chloe was of her and how much Chloe cared about her - I'd been a good friend to her and she always just acted fine with me.

The big blow out came when I messaged her saying "I've had enough of feeling anxious, you don't bother with me unless I make the effort, you don't seem to care about our friendship and it hurts to constantly be made to feel insignificant" again it was comments like "you're really going to end our friendship because you're jealous of Natasha" "I'm not your girlfriend stop being so possessive"

All the time she'd make me out to be possessive but it wasn't to do with her having another friend - it was about seeing how she treated Natasha that made me realise how badly she treated me. Never making the effort to be in touch, to make plans, ignoring my messages for days, never asking how my life was, happily letting me spend money on her which was my own choice I know but she'd never say thank you, just overall treating me entirely different. I realised that it was just crushing my self esteem and blocked her off everything and went NC. Haven't spoken since and she never tried to reconcile and neither have I. I feel I behaved albeit emotionally but fairly and cut off a 'friend' who obviously didn't care about me. My friend at dinner the other night more thought I'd been jealous and lonely and acted irrationally.

Was I being unreasonable, or was she?

OP posts:
WaitroseCoffeeCostaCup · 01/04/2018 10:40

Are you all adults?

TeisanLap · 01/04/2018 10:41

It also sounds like maybe Chloe and Natasha are more than friends

Yes. I thought so as well. Not that I think it’s gone the whole hog. Yet

Op, you’re only human. Don’t beat yourself up about what’s happened, or spend anymore time analysing it. Just get on with enjoying life and making new friends.

Whatsforu · 01/04/2018 10:41

You are definitely not crazy and it sounds like you have done the right thing going NC. I am quite a bit older than you and was in a similar position to you so it has nothing to do with age. It is very hurtful. You deserve better.

DeathStare · 01/04/2018 10:41

Having read your update OP I think you've learnt a valuable lesson. I still don't think (from what you've said so far) that Chloe treated you terribly, but if you are happier without her in your life then so be it.

Over the years I have learnt two valuable friendships lessons. Firstly, here are different types of friends - and you can't force someone to be a type of friend that they don't feel. Some people are best friends who you can share everything with and some people are more casual friends. That's OK. Not everyone has to be a best friends, and having a wider circle of more casual friends can actually be great. Just be careful to keep track of how much you are putting into a friendship and think about whether the effort you put in is worth it for the type of friendship you get back.

Secondly, friendships change - people change and friendships change with them. This isn't anybody doing anything wrong. It's just the way life goes. Sometimes it hurts. Sometimes it hurts the other person (and you may not even know they are hurting). Sometimes casual social friends over time become best friends. Sometimes best friends over time become casual acquaintances.

WaitroseCoffeeCostaCup · 01/04/2018 10:41

Sorry didn't read updates. I think it all sounds like massively hard work and I wouldn't give it any more headspace.

ZoeWashburne · 01/04/2018 10:43

It sounds like you considered Chloe your best friend but Chloe didn’t ever think the same. She didn’t do anything wrong. I don’t see what she did to you.

It does sound like you were envious of Natasha and Chloe and upset that she didn’t think the same of you.

It sounds like you weren’t ok being just friends rather than very close. That could exacerbate anxiety if you want to be closer. Personally, I do think it was petty to throw away a friendship. But you can be friends or not be friends with anyone you want. That is the beauty of adulthood.

Slartybartfast · 01/04/2018 10:43

Sounds like you spent too much money on her op and the friendship was not equal.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 01/04/2018 10:43

Agree with You The Cat. Chloe is a user and you did not have an equal friendship with her. You are well out of it. Why let this other friend tell you that you are jealous and possessive. Has she been Chloe'd? It sounds like she was asking to spread the gossip as you have been silent for a while. Don't let people do this to you!.
Your friendship with Chloe had problems before N. She didn't treat you well then either, didn't listen to you, wouldn't discuss things that had upset you. She basically dumped you whenever she could spend time with the amazing N. You have tried to explain how this is making you feel and her answers were quite rude and indifferent. You can tell the enquirer that you offered an olive branch and it was thrown back at you.
You have a nice boyfriend and your own group of friends and are much happier as a result. You are well out of a friendship with two idiots who love playing mind games. and that is what you should say to your enquirer, not let her decide that you are possessive and spread that as gospel. Sounds like she is firmly in the Chloe camp. Be firm in sticking to the real story - that you are happier without a friend who doesn't appreciate friendship as much as you do. Best of luck.

JaneyEJones · 01/04/2018 10:44

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Whatsforu · 01/04/2018 10:45

Being an adult doesn't mean all people act like one!!!! Some are stuck in school yard antics!!!

MsGameandWatching · 01/04/2018 10:46

I don't think it sounds like they're more than friends at all, I remember very intense friendships in my late teens and early twenties, it's not particularly unusual. I think you cut your losses and moved on OP but I still think there was a lot of emotion tied up in how you did it and an element of punishing Chloe for not being as invested in the friendship as you were. I think that's understandable but I don't think she actually did anything really wrong. Just young and a bit thoughtless, took you for granted as you were always there and sadly for you just liked Natasha a lot more. That said I don't think you were that wrong either, you did what you needed to do at the time when you were so hurt and that's fine. So I don't agree that it was childish or too much.

crunchymint · 01/04/2018 10:48

OP sorry you sound like a bit of a martyr.
Part of good social skills is judging how important you are to someone else and matching what you do. You were less important to this woman, and it sounds like you tried to make her more of a very close friend by giving her things, and paying for her. She was your friend. But your social skills sound poor.

She has met a new friend and was still happy to be with you. It may be as some have said her new friendship is more than friends, it does sound very passionate. But you WVU to give up on what you did have.

Slartybartfast · 01/04/2018 10:49

I had a friend who said my ex, who dumped me, said I was possessive.
I was really hurt.
Which is what I think you are feeling.
Either move on and accept the friendship for what it is/was op or arrange to meet her for an event, no deep talking required.

did she try and contact you during the last year?

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 01/04/2018 10:50

I don’t think it matters how old you are, it always hurts when your so called best friend finds a replacement. I didn’t realise how much until someone who always referred to me as her best friend described someone else as such on FB, lots of comments about how lucky new BFF was to have her etc. Thought I was mature enough not to care but boy it hurt.
Hold you head high, focus on developing and valuing other friendships.... not sure I’d go NC, that does seem a bit petulant but maybe that’s your way of dealing with it

crunchymint · 01/04/2018 10:51

And I suspect that those saying Chloe was a user also have poor social skills. I guess unsurprisingly there seems to be a lot of women on MN with few or no friends who are not the best audience to give advice on friendship.

Slartybartfast · 01/04/2018 10:52

ouch crunchymint

daisychain01 · 01/04/2018 10:53

To quote an oft-used MN expression it's all a head-fuck. You've been frozen out and they know that and probably enjoying the power over you.

Sounds like that letter on the noticeboard with the gushy comments by Natasha was deliberately on open show, and how coincidental that you should be there to see it. How ' nice ' - Not!!

Leave them to it - don't overinvest. Chloe has done you a favour by showing you who she is, someone who cannot be trusted.

crunchymint · 01/04/2018 10:53

Yeah sorry, maybe too harsh. But I see time and time again on MN advice about how to relate to friends that does not seem to have moved on from the playground.

pinkiepie1 · 01/04/2018 10:54

I would be a little hurt, but it sounds like it may be more that just friendship between them even if it has never been acted upon.

Cut your loses and make new friends who want to spend time with you and you do have to do all the work.

pinkiepie1 · 01/04/2018 10:54

don't even

YouTheCat · 01/04/2018 10:56

It doesn't take great social skills to know that someone who takes and never gives anything back in any relationship isn't worth the bother.

How dare you judge anyone. It doesn't appear that your skills are anything to shout about, crunchy.

daisychain01 · 01/04/2018 10:56

Part of good social skills is judging how important you are to someone else and matching what you do

How preachy and patronising! So nice to have such a perfect command of emotions that you can easily judge things so well and never get hurt.

Meanwhile back in the RW, where we aren't all built like computers ....

daisychain01 · 01/04/2018 10:57

An interesting x-post there YoutheCat Smile ..glad I'm wasn't the only one thinking that ....

crunchymint · 01/04/2018 10:58

Well why carry on paying for things when it is all one way?

crunchymint · 01/04/2018 10:59

The only reason to carry on paying for things when it is all one way are either you have poor social skills, or you are trying to buy friendship. It sets up an unhealthy dynamic in any friendship.

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