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Puffycat · 30/03/2018 21:15

I’ve just watched this award winning short film and am in bits!
My DH said ‘oh you’ll enjoy it, it’s uplifting ‘
Uplifting my arse!
I’m so cross at the stupid parents. Surely the first thing you do when you have a deaf child is learn sign language!
The bit at the end when Libby signs ‘I love you’ to her therapist finished me off!
I just hope it raised awareness

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purpleme12 · 01/04/2018 12:55

Yes I heard that about the affair too

GailTheGoldfish · 01/04/2018 13:03

‘someone who is able to give them the confidence and ability to communicate at whatever level they are, so if a 6yr old's csw or ToD only has a level 2 then it isn't necessarily a problem.’

The Level 2 qualification is where learners begin to get to grips with basic BSL grammar. To really develop fluency in any language you need a model who has fluency. I know very well that in the real world many CSWs have level 2 but it is vital that they are mentored and encouraged to continually improve their skills.

What is also important that hasn’t been mentioned is that signing is not one way, receptive skills are also crucial. It’s not enough to know some vocab - in an educational or any setting a CSW or an interpreter must be able to accurately understand and voice over what a deaf person is wanting to add to the lesson or conversation.

As someone who has worked with the deaf community for over 20 years I can honestly say that most of the educational support provided by hearing CSWs, TAs etc really needs to be improved. I know it’s a hard and complex job and I believe they need proper support from deaf teachers and mentors to upskill and give deaf children the quality of support they need.

GailTheGoldfish · 01/04/2018 13:12

And in addition to the above, no one gets any access to any training in interpreting between BSL and English until the last module of Level 6, so level 2 really isn’t designed to equip someone with the skills they need to interpret.

MiaowTheCat · 01/04/2018 13:35

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MrsWho · 01/04/2018 15:36

Interpreting is live and translating is put together for a recording and can be repeated until you’re happy.

Also re CSWs there’s research that recommends high level of language with younger children is best as the adult has to do more adapting. With older children they adapt to the signer.

Research in 2014 showed that many CI users ( the first generation to grow up with them) were keen to use BSL and be part of the Deaf Community.

Funnyface1 · 01/04/2018 16:02

I just watched it today. I thought it was brilliant as far as it went and it made me cry.

I think it would be great if it could be turned into a full length film and had chance to explore some of the issues mentioned in this thread, such as cost of learning bsl and conflicting advice for parents.

brainache78 · 01/04/2018 16:34

Education and early communication for Deaf Children is an absolute minefield.

It is so easy to say 'if I had a deaf child I would...' The truth is that when it happens it can be a baffling and uncertain situation and you are at the mercy of professionals who have their own (conflicting) views.

I have a profoundly deaf DS. He was born 3 months prematurely and was my first baby.

You simply don't know what you would do in that situation. I was a new Mum with no idea what I was doing. I had a shock of a very poorly premature baby. I was recovering from PTSD from giving birth in intensive care following emergency abdominal surgery (not a c-section. A laparotomy). I was ill for months and it took 2 years and more surgery until I was well myself.

And in the midst of it all I had to make big decisions about my DS.

His teacher of the deaf was a non-signer. He was implanted at 18 months and the CI team discouraged signing.

We went against that advice and he went to a deaf primary school which teaches in BSL and English bilingually. We learned sign.

I trained to be a teacher of the deaf and I now teach at the same school.

I believe in BSL for deaf children.

Having said that, my DS is now at Mary Hare (mentioned above) which is an oral provision. He does not use sign in lessons.

It was important to us to give him a deaf identity and sign. BSL is his first language. However, he has excellent access to sound and now chooses to speak rather than sign.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to decide whether I did the right thing by him. He struggles with literacy. He writes in BSL order. He struggles with English grammar. The SALTs say it is because he has been confused by the mixture of BSL, English and SSE he was surrounded by at Primary school.

There is no one answer. There is no 'right' thing to do. Any decision has pros and cons. As a parent you are flying blind - and not all deaf children have the same needs.

Even within the deaf education profession there is controversy and disagreement. It is so, so difficult.

And that is without the problems mentioned above about the lack of access to affordable BSL tuition. It is a big task to learn BSL. For a hearing child growing up in a language rich environment, much of language learning is incidental. Deaf children don't have that - and parents with pigeon level 1 BSL are not going to fill the gaps.

In my experience, the deaf children who do the best are either the ones implanted at a very, very young age and given intensive speech therapy and the deaf children born to deaf adults who are surrounded by good quality BSL from birth. I was unable to give either of these options to my DS.

I am not saying learning BSL is not important, but it is understandable that parents follow other routes and it is unfair of people to judge what is not as simple a decision as it would seem not he outside.

NeedForBlossom · 01/04/2018 17:18

I am mid forties and have just got hearing aids.

Made me cry too, so glad I have been able to hear for most of my life Sad

0hCrepe · 02/04/2018 11:57

There are programmes about the history of deaf education and how signing was banned (brutally) and oralism ruled as the only way to teach (before hearing aids). It’s on BSL zone online and it is signed with optional subtitles.

nomorespaghetti · 02/04/2018 15:18

0hCrepe i found those programmes on bsl zone fascinating and so informative. I watched the I've Unplugged programme about young people who were implanted as children deciding to switch off their implants the other day. That was interesting, as the decision to implant my daughter wasn't easy. I think that if she didn't want to wear her ci when she's older then I'd happily respect it, because to be honest i never felt like the decision to implant her was ours to make. That's one of the main reasons i wanted to learn bsl now, while she's little, just in case she wants to use pure bsl when she's older. The young people in the programme were implanted a bit later than my daughter was (the youngest was 5 or 6, to around 11), while my daughter was implanted at 17 mo and, as far as I can tell, can interpret the ci sounds very well.

0hCrepe · 02/04/2018 16:33

Oh yes I spotted that but haven’t watched yet but I will. I imagine it can make you worry about the decision you make for your child. Research does show earlier is best as language starts to develop so early. But who knows, those people might also want an implant back in the future? I think also learning sign is fantastic, the more the better! Best of both worlds. Some children take their processors off at deaf club etc and just sign.
Exciting to have your baby showing understanding of the speech sounds - a lot of the older CI children I work with even have regional accents now it’s fab!

Runlovingmummy81 · 05/04/2018 15:25

How can he claim off me for a child I have more than him???

sdmum · 13/05/2018 04:18

It's fiction and a very irresponsible film that in no way represents current UK children with hearing loss. My now six year old child was diagnosed at newborn screening. Show me any parent let alone parents to a child with a disability who are like the caricatures in this film. The UK has poured a ton of money into early diagnosis and intervention of children with hearing loss, and the NHS and council and my son's mainstream school have provided amazing support. It's not without bumps, but it's nothing like this. Remember the film is made and stars in a miracle worker role a 30 year old soap actress who was totally inspired and transformed when her adult father lost his hearing. She imagines parents are like this, children weak and helpless, that she can be the modern day miracle worker. Your comments show why the film is so irresponsible. The filmmaker's knowledge of childhood deafness is limited to charity sky dives. Don't feel whatever you feel because it's fiction and very irresponsible.

sdmum · 13/05/2018 04:20

There's a great documentary (so true) called The Listening Child profiling young adults diagnosed early on with hearing loss. Watch that instead please.

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