Instamums 4

[mammyoftwo]

Following on from Instamums 3.2

Sophie and Cady. Keep dangling those carrots we see right through you. #transparency

Mature. Funny how when people debate the points, you're really not interested. You don't want to,do you? You just want to obsess, stalk, and make nasty comments about people you don't really know.

What nasty comment did I personally make here? Go try to fish it out please.

Your points as I see them are-

You’re all jealous
If the kids like it what’s the harm
Just unfollow

And none of those “arguments” stack up or answer the questions posed.

And it is boring to spell it out like that and for you to obfuscate the discussion by pretending not to hear it.

Thanks Cady, it was the same on the S&B bloggers post. If you have a different opinion to the majority on here or call them out on the blatant bitching and sheer nastiness they accuse you of being a troll or trying to derail the thread.

Re child exploitation and whether under 16s (or apparently under 25 which is frankly, fucking ridiculous) are able to make informed decisions, then yes of course they can!

My daughter aged 9 chose to stop doing ballet, her choice, her decision which I wasn't happy about but agreed to. If age 9 she declared she no longer wanted to go to the dentist then obviously I wouldn't agree to that. It's all just common sense which I'm sure the instamums who feature their kids have.

What nasty comment did I personally make here? Go try to fish it out please.

When I used the word you, I mean it in the general sense.
Not you personally.

@Atalune I agree. The same was done on the other thread. Good summary there, too.

@Handsoffmysweets that's really interesting. How do you decide what an influencers 'reach' is?

Say for example, as has been discussed previously, someone like DLAM has 100k but averages less than a 1000 likes per pic vs Brummymummy who has 50k followers but is getting 3000 likes per post. Who would be the blogger you'd go with? Or would you go with both and pay them different amounts?

@instabum I'm torn on tomanychildren. I think she's actively changed things to stop it growing. She's lost followers not gained. I'd hazard a guess that it's all genuine with her. Her 14 yr old daughter is disabled and she chooses very carefully what she shows. I would imagine as a disabled carer with kids she is supported well overall. When Instagram and Facebook first linked lots of people I followed came up as suggested friends including tomanychildren, her husband and various other members of her family (very weird) it doesn't do that now. I think lots of her followers genuinely feel a fondness for her after after Sally's mental illness and long difficult recovery I think some like to help. Maybe I'm just a sucker. But I want to believe she is genuine and she doesn't brand goods around much except for a love of liberty fabrics and cath Kidston. I'm pretty sure she said the trip to liberty was Birthday? She obviously has close mum and sisters and doesn't seem extravagant in general.

It's all just common sense which I'm sure the instamums who feature their kids have

Yes ok. Is it common sense to Instagram your toddler in just a nappy?

Is it common sense to Instagram your child being taken to hospital in a ambulance?

Is it common sense to let your twins run riot around a supermarket with a phone in one hand?

Is it common sense to Instagram your children in their school uniform?

Handsofmysweets, maybe not 9 but at 11 my daughter is well aware of the potential dangers of social media so yes I do feel she could make an informed decision. All kids are different so in my view it would be up to the parent to make their own decision.

Many instamums and dad have little common sense.
Sofialemon an 11 year old can know right from wrong,of course they can't make informed decisions about their lives and futures and things that will impact on them. That's why they have parents.

Sofia - what do you think should happen to the money that the children make for their instamums? Not beign snarky - am genuinely interested?

Do you think it should be the same as for child actors whereby it had to be put aside for the child and can't be used for their everyday expenses?

Obviously I know it is difficult to quantify how much is earned by the child as opposed to the parent but say there was a 50:50 split.

Handsofmysweets, I agree with you, I follow a lovely knitter on Instagram and she dis a post about 'collaborations'. She is a 'one woman band', knitting a great product on her own and selling and marketing it on her own.
Knitting a product takes time and therefore she prices her product to ensure she can make a living from it.
She was approached by an instagrammer to do a collaboration, there person really loved her product and was happy to promote it for her because she really loved it. She assumed that this meant they would buy the product, because they loved it and post about it because it was good quality.
NO- they wanted a few grand from her to do the posting, they wanted the product that they liked for nothing, even though they were rich, from someone just trying to make a living and they wanted her to pay for the privilege of giving here the item.
How many more of the instamums are up to the same thing, it makes me wonder about all the 'small business' shout outs. Do they have to pay to be 'shouted about'. ?

Pavlova, not sure who those instances refer to and some of them I personally wouldn't do but it's the parents choice. I don't think any of those examples are harmful to the child, just not what I would do.

@IsThisAWindUp

“Sofia did the same thing on the bloggers and brands thread. Chip chip chipping away waiting for someone to bite.”

Some of the debate had been quite useful but I think you’re right. Cady is being quite antagonistic too - it’s all a bit too finger-pointy for me.

Safeguarding organisations and advertising regulators consider our arguments valid - that’s good enough for me.

I definitely believe she is genuine Mum, but lacking....I don't know what the word is? I don't want to say sense, but maybe that is what I mean (wrt the donate button) I actually hoped that she was being sent stuff as it would be more in line with her 'poverty' narrative. She has said many times both on IG and her blog how hard it has been to get together food, so it just seems so off that she buys what most people would deem as luxury items alongside saying that they have literally no income.

She seems so lovely and never has a bad word to say, which is why I feel conflicted even writing this and she has had more than her fair share of sorrows but still comes across as very optimistic. What is the deal with her husband? It seems that there is some sort of legal issue ongoing? I haven't followed her for that long so don't know the details. Was her husband a clergy man? You said he has other kids as well?

Sofia is a 9 year old able to fully articulate the potentially far reaching consequences of having their entire lives to played out on social media?

No. They are most definitely are not. Hence why I fully expect their will be litigation in the future regarding loss of privacy by these children (I think it is arguable that the advertisers as well as the parents owe them a duty of care) and about why their share of the earnings were not put in trust for them.

Mumofkids at 11 I let my daughter make decisions about various things. Obviously I would overrule her if a choice she was making would be to her detriment.

Cady and Sofia clearly have a different viewpoint on use of children and transparency of ads, which is entirely up to them but they've neither changed anyone's mind or managed to stop conversation.
I'm beginning to wonder if FOD's haplessness has lead to him actually losing a twin somewhere as he's gone very quiet.

Some of the debate had been quite useful but I think you’re right. Cady is being quite antagonistic too - it’s all a bit too finger-pointy for me

Genuinely not trying to be antagonistic. We were debating and discussing nicely in the thread until the cries of "shut down" and gems such as "yawn" "boring" etc started being wheeled out to points put across.
If people insist on talking like they're 5, it's hard not to stoop to their level.

Safeguarding organisations and advertising regulators consider our arguments valid - that’s good enough for me.

Exactly. The only people who don't are:

1. Totally naive; or

1. Wind up merchants; or

1. Have a skin in the game and are therefore not impartial as their order of priorities are a free tumble dryer or a meal in Cote rather than safeguarding their children. That is a matter of fact before I am accused of being a vile jealous bully

Sofialemon I think the last serious decision my 12 yr old made was whether to have ice cream for desert or not. What kind of decisions is your 11 yr old making that could be along the lines of being sold on the internet?
@instabum he seemed to be a builder/worked for a company. No idea what happened, he's championing fathersforjustice and hasn't seen the kids since January 2017. His other daughters are older I think.
I agree something is a bit off, but then if she's suddenly have to pay a mortgage and van payment perhaps some months are a struggle. I get the feeling the little bits of pretty are her treats to herself.

@CadyHeron I take your point but I feel like that’s when the debate falls apart and it turns into a bun fight.