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When a nation’s children marched, and their President ignored them - Trump cont.

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TheClaws · 29/03/2018 01:36

For me, the Parkland children being belittled and abused in so many ways is utterly heartbreaking to witness. But they have been more adult than the adults in their response. They have shown us what faith means, and bravery. POTUS? He is made much, much smaller.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3198255--In-politics-stupidity-is-not-a-handicap-We-know-this-now-Trump-thread-cont

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lionheart · 30/03/2018 13:51

www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/29/facebook-memo-mission-andrew-bosworth

'A top Facebook executive warned in a leaked memo that the platform could lead to deaths and could help terrorists plan attacks, but argued that the negative outcomes were a reasonable byproduct of the company’s broader “growth tactics” and mission to “connect” people.'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 13:53

A Prominent Liberal Judge From The 9th Circuit Court Has Died At 87
Judge Stephen Reinhardt — appointed to the appeals court in 1980 — died on Thursday, two days after his 87th birthday. President Trump will now get to appoint his successor.

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/chrisgeidner/a-prominent-liberal-judge-from-the-9th-circuit-court-has

lionheart · 30/03/2018 13:56

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russian-spies-purge-latest-sergei-skripal-poisoning-espionage-cia-fbi-vladimir-putin-a8281161.html

'The uncertainty surrounding the president’s decision reflected a phenomenon that has baffled the United States’ closest allies for almost a year: despite Mr Trump’s reliably warm rhetoric toward Moscow and his steadfast reluctance to criticise Russian president Vladimir Putin, the Trump administration has at multiple times taken aggressive action against Russia at the recommendation of the president’s top aides.'

lionheart · 30/03/2018 13:57

'An FBI informant thought he was going to have to kill a Trump-backing militiaman to stop him shooting dead two Muslim women, a court has heard.

Dan Day said that as they drove past the headscarf-wearing women, Patrick Stein – a member of a group called the Crusaders – grabbed a handgun from the back of the truck, called the women "raghead bitches", and said: “I could knock ’em off, kill ’em right there.”'

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kansas-militia-bomb-plot-trial-latest-kill-somali-muslims-gun-dan-day-trump-patrick-stein-curtis-a8281286.html

lionheart · 30/03/2018 14:01
Smile

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mccabe-sacked-fbi-director-gofundme-legal-defense-campaign-smashes-target-a8281151.html

'A fundraising campaign to cover the legal bills of sacked former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe has smashed its target to hit $370,000 (£260,000) in just 14 hours.

The page set up by the “Friends of Andrew McCabe” has already received more than 8,700 donations including some as high as $3,000.'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:01

Trump Has No Idea Why He Gets To Fill So Many Empty Court Seats
He should be thanking Mitch McConnell. He thinks Obama just mysteriously left him 100+ court vacancies. 🤦

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-federal-judges-obama-republicans_us_5abd47c4e4b0a47437a98594

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:02

Accused Terrorists Were So Extreme They Scared Other Anti-Muslim Bigots

Defense lawyers said the Kansas militiamen's rants were just "locker room talk." But other militiamen thought they sounded like plans of action.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kansas-terror-plot-militia_us_5abd0e8ce4b03e2a5c7a53c9

lionheart · 30/03/2018 14:07

www.palmerreport.com/analysis/attorney-attorney-donald-trump/9103/

'Donald Trump’s attorney’s attorney may now need an attorney.'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:08

Mike McIntire
@mmcintire
Exclusive: How Trump helped tabloid mogul who buried story of alleged affair with Playboy playmate w/@jimrutenberg @katekelly @jbsgreenberg

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/business/media/david-pecker-trump-saudi-arabia.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:09

Stormy Daniels lawyer rejects settling with Trump: It's not about money, it's about truth
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380968-stormy-daniels-lawyer-rejects-settling-with-trump-its-not-about

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:16

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/compost/wp/2018/03/29/i-am-sick-of-these-kids-demanding-safe-spaces/

I am sick of these children and their demands for safe spaces.

Safe spaces! Back in my day, all we had were dangerous spaces. People would call you names that would turn your ears blue. Everyone had measles, mumps and rubella, just as a matter of course, and we did not go crawling to our family physicians for so-called vaccines. Disease was a ritual of childhood. We toughed it out. We built character.

We did not have satellite radio or the Internet. We had to make our own electricity by rubbing sticks together. Everyone had six guns apiece, which we used to fight world wars. (There has not been a good world war for too long, and kids have gotten needlessly soft.) When children misbehaved, their parents were strongly encouraged to hit them with a rod.

Nobody wore safety belts. The water was full of mercury. The fish were full of sewage. Nobody recycled ANYTHING. When someone fell ill, you just hoped and prayed. (More things should be resolved that way: not with regulations or attempts at solutions but by wishing and hoping and thinking and praying. That was good enough for us, and any change in the world since then has been a change for the worse.)

We used to crawl to school uphill both ways in blinding snowstorms. We used to drink water from lead pipes. Some children still do this, but not nearly enough of them. There was smog in the air as thick as a man’s fist. You could smoke on airplanes. In fact, you were encouraged to do so. It was this pointless suffering that made me who I am.

Dare I deny these benefits to the children of today?

I look at kids these days and I despair. They need to man up and solve their own problems. They need to stop demanding to be coddled. Children now are bad and soft, and far too few of them have experienced the grit developed by being needlessly exposed to communicable diseases, or urged to ride bicycles without helmets.

Now, suddenly, they want to get rid of guns, too. The one thing I know is that we cannot stop guns. There is no point in discussing that; that is an immutable aspect of human nature. Children need to toughen up and learn how to care for themselves. They should learn CPR. And they need to stop using rude words when they respond to me, specifically, although I get to use those words back, as it will make them stronger and hardier.

If we let these kids have their way, soon there will not be danger anywhere. They will be able to go to school in the morning and feel confident that they will be able to come home in the evening. This is a radical thing to ask. I remember no such certainty. It is, therefore, undesirable. These children are weak. I do not want my children to live in a better world than the world that I grew up in, or the one we live in now. That would be to admit that things have progressed, and I do not admit that.

That is what conservatism means to me: the ability to pass the dangers and privations of my life on to the generation that will come after. The hope that their lives will be, if not actively worse than mine, then certainly no better. The idea that I suffered not because there were no better choices but because the suffering was inherently good.

If anyone were to think differently, that would be the real tragedy. Children are weak. They are whiners. They deserve my mockery.

If I were forced to spend a single day in which I did not insult the youth, that would be the real tragedy. If I had to let any argument I disagreed with go unanswered, because attacking a child would be ghoulish — that would be letting them win.

I am sick of these children and their demands for safe spaces. Safe spaces! I refuse to modify my argument in any way to reflect the fact that what they are asking to be kept safe from is not words but bullets. I refuse to be silent even for a moment.

When I was young, children were seen but not heard. If children suddenly started to be heard, that would be the greatest tragedy of all.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:18

Did you see the woman who survived the holocaust was brutally murdered at 85 in France by people who targeted her for being Jewish? These are truly awful times

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:25

How Trump got to ‘yes’ on the biggest purge of Russian spies in U.S. history

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/how-trump-got-toyes-on-the-biggest-purge-of-russian-spies-in-us-history/2018/03/29/3e056a28-337b-11e8-8abc-22a366b72f2d_story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:27

New Jersey sells last remaining holding of semi- and automatic gunmaker

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N1RB1OJ

The New Jersey Department of the Treasury said on Thursday that the state's $78 billion public pension system had sold its last remaining investment in any company that makes automatic and semi-automatic weapons for civilian use.

The state's Division of Investment sold a $1.9 million position in Utah-based Vista Outdoor Inc., a designer and manufacturer of outdoor sporting goods, including guns and ammunition. Vista also owns Savage Arms, which makes assault rifles. [...]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 14:31

Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
Looks like Wikileaks has tweeted out a DM by accident.

  1. FWIW, the only Dave that Jordan Peterson follows is Dave Rubin.
When a nation’s children marched, and their President ignored them - Trump cont.
lionheart · 30/03/2018 14:36

Yes, I did Pain. Sad

The WP piece is good.

Roussette · 30/03/2018 15:06

Before we all get excited about the purge of Russians from the US...

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This needs to go viral:

Russian State TV is reporting that a White House source secretly told Russia that Trump's expulsion of 60 diplomats is not actually happening. He expelled 60 but is letting 60 new diplomats replace them.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:11

Concern over Russian ships lurking around vital undersea cables

www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-ships-undersea-cables-concern-vladimir-putin-yantar-ship/

And

Radio Sweden
@radiosweden
Russian missiles will be tested in international waters unusually close to Sweden next week. Air traffic near Öland and Bornholm will have to be redirected. "I've never seen anything like it" says flight traffic chief Jörgen Andersson to @MatsEriksson7

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:14

roussette as posted above Grin it is russian state media claiming that, so pinch of salt and all that

PlectrumElectrum · 30/03/2018 15:19

Bigly place mark

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:26

Speaking of which

Mike Rosenbe
@ByRosenberg
Local TV news chain Sinclair literally hired someone from the Russian propaganda outlet RT to produce a story on "the Deep State." It ran on Seattle TVs during the KOMO 6 o'clock news. (Sinclair owns KOMO).

Again, Sinclair owns local TV stations in 40% of U.S. cities

When a nation’s children marched, and their President ignored them - Trump cont.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 15:56

People Are Shocked, Confused That Trump Occasionally Agrees to Look Like He Cares About Russian Aggression

www.shakesville.com/2018/03/people-are-shocked-confused-that-trump.html

I keep seeing articles in which is expressed surprise and/or perplexity that Donald Trump occasionally agrees to a policy that makes him, ever so briefly, look as though he cares about Russian aggression.

This is a pretty good example, care of John Hudson, Shane Harris, and Josh Dawsey at the Washington Post:

In the days leading up to the largest expulsion of Russian spies in U.S. history, few people inside or outside the Trump administration knew exactly what the president would do.

U.S. intelligence officials, who had been pushing to dismantle Moscow's spy networks, believed that the president might decide against a recommendation to close the Russian Consulate in Seattle.

...But on Friday, the president's national security team presented him with three options, and Trump's final decision set in motion an exodus of 60 Russian spies — a surprising rebuke of Moscow that even caught U.S. allies off guard.

"We received signals that expulsions were coming, but the numbers surprised us," said a senior European diplomat based in Washington. "It was very high."

The uncertainty surrounding the president's decision reflected a phenomenon that has baffled the United States' closest allies for almost a year: Despite Trump's reliably warm rhetoric toward Moscow and his steadfast reluctance to criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Trump administration has at multiple times taken aggressive action against Russia at the recommendation of the president's top aides.

...[Said John Herbst, a Russia scholar at the Atlantic Council]: "The president's heart doesn't seem to be in it, but for whatever reason, he's willing to go along with his advisers."

Let me just posit this wild theory as the reason Trump was willing to go along with advice designed to dismantle Moscow's spy networks (which, by the way, left "well over 40 Russian spies operating in the United States who were not included in the initial purge"): Because none of this matters while Trump is firmly ensconced in Putin's pocket.

Russia doesn't need spies in the United States when the United States president will share highly classified intel directly with Russian diplomats right in the Oval Office.

And when the United States president is deferential to Putin, to the point of being afraid to anger him:

Donald Trump's national security advisers spent months trying to convince him to sign off on a plan to supply new U.S. weapons to Ukraine to aid in the country's fight against Russian-backed separatists, according to multiple senior administration officials.

Yet when the president finally authorized the major policy shift, he told his aides not to publicly tout his decision, officials said. Doing so, Trump argued, might agitate Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to the officials.

"He doesn't want us to bring it up," one White House official said. "It is not something he wants to talk about."

The White House declined to comment.

I'm sure they did. It might make Putin angry, after all.

Officials said the increasingly puzzling divide between Trump's policy decisions and public posture on Russia stems from his continued hope for warmer relations with Putin and stubborn refusal to be seen as appeasing the media or critics who question his silence or kind words for the Russian leader.

...Trump has recently taken a sharper tone on Putin, administration officials said, but the shift seems more a reaction to the Russian leader challenging the president's strength than a new belief that he's an adversary. Putin's claim earlier this month that Russia has new nuclear-capable weapons that could hit the U.S., a threat he underscored with video simulating an attack, "really got under the president's skin," one official said.

Trump may finally be waking up to the reality that he is not, as he has unaccountably believed, Putin's pal but instead has been Putin's mark. And now that Putin has Trump — and the nation he's now tasked with leading — right where he wants them, he has no use for the transparent buddy shtick anymore.

At this point, I don't believe Trump is truly committed to pushing back on the Kremlin, even if he's vexed by what he perceives as a shifting alliance. If that changes, Putin is going to push back — hard. And he's in a much stronger position, thanks to Trump's deeply disloyal and equally stupid behavior toward Russia for many, many years.

If Trump really does get tired of being owned by Putin, I suspect he will find in short order that he's more owned than he ever knew.

And the only way for the rest of us to get out from under that is to remove Trump from office, swiftly.