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Instamums 3, 2.0

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blackmirror1 · 27/03/2018 12:42

Seeing as the original 3 got zapped.

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Anewhope · 28/03/2018 17:28

@onemouseplace I'm not entirely sure what Alison's terms were with Mark Warner but they run a big campaign every year where bloggers apply to be a 'mark Warner mum' and as such they get a holiday either sun or ski to review. I've never applied personally because I don't like the idea of vlogging my holiday but I totally understand why others do it and think it's probably very exciting to receive that opportunity. Anyone can apply and they choose a selection of smaller and bigger bloggers. In return they have to blog about it and video it, instagram etc. I'm not sure on Orlando either but I think it was a press trip.

I actually find Alison to be very good at disclosing and opening up discussions to be honest. I think she's very genuine.

As for taking her daughter out of school, I can't let myself get worked up about that. A lot of people do it for holidays, why can't she? Because she's not paying for it? I would have done the same in her position. As long as it's not all the time I don't think it's too much of a big deal if the school give permission.

PavlovaPrincess · 28/03/2018 17:29

@Badmotherpukka I'd love to read your next book if it's not about parenting. My kids are teens so I've kind of don't have any interest in babies and parenting much anymore but I really enjoy your writing and your sense of humour (and I liked Matt's too when he did the takeover. Maybe a cook book? Wink)

Anewhope · 28/03/2018 17:30

Also, that was very long- sorry! And I'm not paid by Alison or Alison's biggest fan or anything, she's just a blogger I follow that's in a few blogging groups I'm in so I see her name pop up a lot and I know a little bit about the Mark Warner thing so I thought I'd fill you in!

Badmotherpukka · 28/03/2018 17:35

@Goingovertosusanshouse the tricky thing is looking like I’m saying what I did on my recent post to ‘appease my critics’. While I’ve appreciated - and at times been knocked back - by these threads, it’s just common sense. (That has arguably taken me a fair bit of time to recognise). I will always use Instagram for campaigning purposes and just wanted to set the tone of how that will continue - without the fawn vs fume dynamic.

Mamaj2017 · 28/03/2018 18:00

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Mumofkids · 28/03/2018 18:19

@mamaj2017 no one is shocked that somebody was hurt and upset. Your comment is bang out of order and I hope it gets removed.
Respect and maturity would be appropriate.

auditqueen · 28/03/2018 18:22

@Badmotherpukka i would buy your book as well as your writing is good - but have no children and no interest in children so wouldn't buy a parenting book!

Mamaj2017 · 28/03/2018 18:26

@Mumofkids I was simply telling @catlover1987 what happened with Asha. Everything I said was factual, if you lie about cancer it's going to follow you unfortunately.

shesakeeper · 28/03/2018 18:30

Do you think that maybe, for sensitivity reasons, we should keep the Asha stuff off this thread? The story isn't particularly relevant to the main points of discussion here and the subject can be very triggering for some.

danielleparry · 28/03/2018 18:32

@Mamaj2017 don't speculate if you don't know full story here.

Mamaj2017 · 28/03/2018 18:34

@shesakeeper For sensitivity reasons absolutely. However, the title of this thread suggests we are talking about instamums. When Asha had a big following she happily shared photos of her child & was everything you would typically describe as an 'instamum' - so I do think it is relevant to this thread. Maybe the thread should have been called 'instamums and moaning about all the free stuff they get' if that's the route you wanted to continue down.

Secondtimeround1984 · 28/03/2018 18:35

I’ve been lurking on these threads for a while and have found them to be a huge eye opener. I’ve been following a lot of the insta mums for about 4/5 years and have obviously noticed the shift in tone and content in their accounts. I’ll be honest, I’ve been ‘influenced’ and have bought things against my better nature because I wanted to fit in and be part of it all.

For me, that’s the crux of it. I bought things I didn’t need because of these accounts and whilst that’s my responsibility, if I’d have known which products were #gifted or #ads I probably wouldn’t have.

I can now see these accounts through a different perspective and am far more cynical. I cringe when I see a instagrammer asking for suggestions about a product or tagging brands in things they’re thinking of buying.

I think motherpukka has done the right thing by discussing this on her page. It brings the discussion away from being just a mumsnet thing. I had to re-read her post twice though as when I first went to the comments and saw all of the ‘haters gonna hate’ comments I thought I’d missed the point she was making.

Whilst I think MOD has taken the brunt of the criticism, I was surprised that she couldn’t see why she’d been singled out. Perhaps she could have a think as she’s replying to the comments on motherpuka’s post whilst in St Lucia as to why she might appear different to other instamums. I don’t mean this to sound snarky as it does. I just think it’s daft not to see the difference when you’re on your fourth or fifth paid holiday in the last 12 months, people are bound to have an opinion on it.

shesakeeper · 28/03/2018 18:41

Mamaj2017 - but she's not around any more. So no need to delve into all that happened. It blew up, it blew over.

Mumofkids · 28/03/2018 18:41

@manaj2017 as her account has been removed and her current account is now private, it is not actually relevant to the topics being discussed. It appears you are personally involved and have unresolved issues which should be dealt with privately. It was very sad and handled badly but it's in the past.

Mamaj2017 · 28/03/2018 18:49

If I was personally involved I would do a lot more than write it on a mumsnet forum a year later! I was simply telling somebody who asked what happened from seeing it unfold on instagram Smile I think when somebody lies about such a serious subject that affects millions of people every single minute of everyday then people like me are going to have VERY strong views on the matter!

Mumofkids · 28/03/2018 18:55

@mamaj2017 clearly. I too simply observed on Instagram and have a lot more empathy. Thank god we are all different. Anyway it's not relevant so moving on.

shesakeeper · 28/03/2018 19:06

See? This thread is turning into an argument about one topic again!

Mumofkids · 28/03/2018 19:11

What was THAT daily mail article?

danielleparry · 28/03/2018 19:13

@Mumofkids didn't one come out after the last thread of the same topic?

HeedMove · 28/03/2018 19:14

puglife, for me the reason instamums are different from bounty is for the following reason.

At least two women have admitted on here they have been influenced as a new mum to buy lots of things they’d seen. They watched these instamums and likely thought oh she has a great life, they are always happy, kids are always happy, lovely days out, dressed lovely and have aspired to be the same through purchasing the materialistic things the instamums recommended or holidays, days out etc, thinking they too will then be as happy as a family and look as well turned out etc. Unbeknown to them a lot of it was actually ‘gifted’ or ‘ad’ that went undeclared. Women who are struggling possibly with children who argue a lot, or sleepless nights with a newborn, or pnd or anything looking at those accounts and grasping at anything they think will make them as happy as what they see on these accounts.

People will copy others they aspire to be like and will try buy into that lifestyle, however it’s not real. They didn’t buy the stuff, they aren’t that happy. All the bad bits are edited out of their lives. People are aspiring to something that can’t be achieved. Some are still completely so unaware of that though. It’s manipulative. Bounty throwing you a few freebies isn’t anything like that it doesn’t emotionally manipulate you.

The brands that work with the instamums are just as bad. They should also be baring the brunt of this actually and the ASA should be targeting both sides that arent complying to the legal rules of advertising now especially the brands who are telling the influencers not to post as if it’s an ad.

finks100 · 28/03/2018 19:28

I agree HeedMove, the brands should be being fined my the ASA!

ElizabethLemon · 28/03/2018 19:30

@Mumofkids I think there was an article slagging off some of the IGers mentioned here for being lazy and revelling in it. Fish fingers were mentioned which resulted in a collaboration with captain Birdseye I think, the glamour!

HeyRoly · 28/03/2018 19:30

I don't think the Bounty comparison fits. With Bounty packs, you know you're being marketed to. It's wall to wall advertising, leaflets, free samples and vouchers. It's completely transparent. As always, with Instamums, it's about lack of transparency.

Mumofkids · 28/03/2018 19:39

Oh I remember. I'm pretty sure the article mentioned tongue in cheek uncooked fish fingers which no one would be actually likely to feed their children? I don't think I had heard of Clemmie Telford back then.

IsThisAWindUp · 28/03/2018 19:43

I think the Bounty point made was around targeting vulnerable new mums, not just around the transparency of advertising. It doesn't get much worse than shoving a bag full of leaflets and samples onto a mum who has just given birth in her hospital bed. I seem to recall them asking me to fill out my details onto a form (which was probably then sold to a load of other marketing companies), but this was a long time ago so my memories are a bit hazy. I do remember I wised up the next time and said a polite no!