Parent and child parking

[spiderbear]

It winds me up so much when people without children park in 'parent and child' parking. Is it just me that has a go?? I just can't help it. I find them so ignorant and selfish. Just had to say something to someone at Tesco- she was with her (I'm guessing 20yr old) daughter.. and wouldn't even look me in the face.. I'm heavily pregs and also with a 2 yr old. But her daughter piped up saying they'd just dropped her dad and sister off at the entrance - which was rubbish as we'd been behind them coming into the car park!!
Am I out of order having a go ?? Should I just let it be? Or should supermarkets do more to stop this themselves??

Now where did I say illegal? I said it is breaking a rule. The car park has designated spaces. It is not a free for all. Recent reporting suggests some supermarkets will and have issued fines for those parking in disabled spaces and p and c who don’t fit the criteria to park there.

I work/have worked with colleagues who have various disabilities, from dyslexia, dyspraxia, ms and visual and hearing impediments. so I am well aware that people with disabilities work, some with blue badges and some with out. But I haven’t seen any of them Park in places that they aren’t designated to.
I believe that rules are rules and that’s my opinion I’m entitled to it.

Recent reporting -
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.coventrytelegraph.net/whats-on/shopping/tesco-could-soon-fine-you-14246147.amp

But I haven’t seen any of them Park in places that they aren’t designated to

Do you usually go food shopping with your colleagues?

We obviously working with someone makes you an expert doesn’t it

Purple daisies I’m friends with a few people out of work and we often go to the local Tesco cafe after soft play or sometimes in work time for an informal meeting.
Nope sirzy not an expert I just think that rules are rules. Life isn’t a free for all. If you wilfully break rules around parking, because you justify your right in your own mind, or you just don’t care, you risk a fine.
I remember nipping to Tesco without ds a few weeks after a horrific birth, because I needed something personal and didn’t want to ask dm.
I felt awful and could have gladly parked in p and c to get in and out quickly, but I didn’t because to me that would be breaking the rule and I could have wound up needing to explain myself/pay a fine.

Purple daisies I’m friends with a few people out of work and we often go to the local Tesco cafe after soft play or sometimes in work time for an informal meeting.

Come off it. You can’t say you know about their general parking habits from what they do when they’re meeting you outside work.

Not almost disabled people need the extra room a p and c space gives you.

The actual law will always trump some arbitrary rules. Fines cannot be legally enforced as there is no loss of revenue to the company if someone parks in a parent and child space without a child. But so we're very clear here - a blue badge holder isn't parking in a space they aren't designated to when they park in a parent and child space. And regards being aware of invisible disabilities, it was you who made the comment about people wearing lanyards not being able to be disabled.

I've never found that I need to explain why we're parked anywhere. If anyone was so rude as to demand an explanation I'd quite readily tell them to fuck off and mind their business.

Alonsos pribate companies can take you to a small claims court if you don’t pay a fine.
I have said a few times people without children shouldn’t park in p and c unless they have blue badge on display, then they can park in various places others can’t/the rules are different to other motorists and rightly so. You said yourself you husband doesn’t display his, so if he gets a fine then that’s unfortunate but his responsibility.

I did say I see people in business wear and young men carrying crates of beer parking in p and c. I do believe it’s more likely that they want to be in and out quickly/not scratch their cars than they have a hidden disability that they don’t have a blue badge for, and even if they do it doesn’t give them the right to park in these spaces anyway.

and even if they do it doesn’t give them the right to park in these spaces anyway.
and that says it all...

Now that I have a toddler and a baby I find it really quite annoying if there are plenty of spaces actually available, and you can see it's just a case of someone wanting a big space a tiny bit nearer to the entrance. The other day a lone bloke in a little Aygo was using one, but the car park had loads of other spaces dotted all over (including pretty close to the shop). I don't get why he'd use a P&C and deprive someone who genuinely needs the extra room. But I'd never say anything as it's not illegal and in the grand scheme of thing it's no biggie. And I do think it's always fair enough to use a P&C if it's the only space available.
As others have said they should just put the P&C spaces at the back, and make sure there are pedestrian access paths through to the shop.

This always annoyed me. I challenged a woman once and she pointed to her 30 year old daughter saying "this is my child". I had 2 babies under 18 months in the car, a double buggy to 'build' and it was the last p&c space. I was taken aback by what she said and her ignorance and general twatness.

I've always said, these spaces need to be the furthest spaces from the store so the lazy fuckers don't bother with them. My dcs are 9 & 10 now and I stopped parking in them years ago. I wouldnt dream of parking in them now.

No. They have to be able to demonstrate that the fine is levied in a way in which to compensate for something.

Where there is no loss of revenue then there is nothing to compensate for.

And NOBODY has a right to park there over anyone else. Its a courtesy which stemmed from a marketing gimmick. It is not a right.

Have to say this really annoys me. No it's no legally enforceable and it's not a given right to park in them, BUT, if the store is providing them to make it easier for parents then they should be ones using them.
I also don't care about being close to the shop it's about wrestling a toddler and a baby in a car seat out the car. Yes you can do it in a non parent space which you have to do a lot of the time, but it's just a lot easier in a parent space.
It annoys me more the pure laziness and lack of respect and thought for other people that people that park in them have, quite sad really!
i wouldnt have a go at anyone tho as never know what type of person they are wouldnt want to risk it.

"even if they do it doesn’t give them the right to park in these spaces anyway."

Yes it does. Accept that disabled people have rights.

"A similar comparison would be to me, as a car user I don’t park in a bay designated m/c (Motorcycle)"

This comparison has nothing to do with disability equality law.

Alonos My understanding is that blue badge scheme is for local authority places. However private car parks like Tesco etc sometimes stipulate display a blue badge in disabled bays, which is in my opinion understandable, because as abhorrent as it is, people can’t always be trusted to be honest about having a disability. Some will be lazy fuckers and the store has to differentiate some how to catch out those misusing the spaces.
But if what you are saying, is correct, that they will only go to a small claims court if there is loss of revenue, then that means any able bodied person could park in a disabled bay, refuse to pay the fine and nothing would be done. The same as if someone without a child/blue badge is caught in p and c, they refuse to pay the fine and nothing would be done.

I think that this is wrong because I firmly believe that you should follow the rules in all but extenuating/emergency circumstances. Using a p and c space when you shouldn’t is annoying, using disabled is absolutely disgraceful.
The only way supermarkets can ensure people who need the Disabled bays the most get them is by stipulating blue badges. There has to be some formal way to identify.
Supermarkets can’t have bays for disabled people who don’t meet the blue badge criteria. You either meet it or don’t. The P and c spaces are for what they say they are. Other people aren’t right in using them.

Those posters who suggest putting them at the back, I agree entirely, but only if there is a safe pedestrian pathway to the store.

Supermarkets can’t have bays for disabled people who don’t meet the blue badge criteria.
Why not?

My friend was told by the local Sainsbury’s to use the p and c spaces when she broke her leg. I heard of other people with mobility issues/children with autism being told the same.

I have said I think rules are rules. I wouldn’t park somewhere that I wasn’t designated to.
If everyone did, it would be a free for all.
If no one enforced things, and there was no identification, people would have to be trusted to only park In disabled bays if they really needed them. Sadly some people aren’t that honest. people who’s disability/condition affects them the most in relation to mobility and qualify for blue badges, may not be able to get a space, because they could be taken by people with less severe problems/temporary problems that you can just deal with for a couple of months/lazy fuckers with no difficulties at all. You can’t always trust people to be honest.

Purple daisies that is one instance. I couldn’t imagine using a disabled bay because for instance I had broke my ankle. Or use a p and c bay for that matter. For that short time, until it healed up I’d shop online. I wouldn’t pontentially take a space from someone with a lifelong/limiting disability.

I wouldn’t pontentially take a space from someone with a lifelong/limiting disability.

They weren’t using the blue badge spaces because they didn’t have one. They were in the p and x spaces.

And why should they shop online? Doesn’t that mean parents should just shop online?

I just said it as a general comment purple. As if there was no stipulation for blue badge in disabled bags, I’d bet some people with a sprain/break would park there.
No parents shouldn’t have to shop online. Few months for a broken ankle to heal.....approximately four - five years of having a small child lifting in and out car seats. That is slightly different.
Again I will repeat I believe that rules are rules, p and c are for carees and children. Most disabled bays require a blue badge. if there were no rules it would be mayhem, and some people just convince themselves certain behaviours are acceptable for whatever reason to enable them to break a rule.