To think the NHS "pay deal" is sugar-coated shite?

[SplitterBug]

The government and NHS employers are spinning this as a massive pay rise - having looked at the documents, I'm not so sure.

I'd implore all NHS workers affected to look at the details (on NHS Employers website) before deciding which way to vote. A lot of devil in the detail. A lot of questions still unanswered.

Firstly - the 6.5% over three years works out at 2.1% compounded per year - i.e. below inflation.

Secondly - the large % rises being quoted by the media for certain pay points completely ignore the fact that these staff would previously have had incremental pay rises anyway - e.g. a Band 5 nurse starting at 22128 would progress to 26970 under the new "pay deal" - stated to be a 21.88% rise over 3 years. But under the old increment system they'd have progressed with increased experience up to 25551 anyway. So the pay rise is actually only 5.55% (i.e. less than inflation).

Thirdly - the increments within bands will now require hoop-jumping, target-meeting. How challenging will this be?

Fourthly - the lower paid bands 1-3 are having a REDUCTION in their antisocial hours percentage pay premium which will claw back some of their rise.

(Not affected personally, but many people I know will be).

Some people could have an argument in an empty room, couldn't they, opinionated? Good choice of name, btw.

I think it was probably important to point out that the kings fund figures run to the end of January 2017. Suggesting those are representative of the situation in March 2018 is a bit misleading perhaps.

There does seem to have been a big change in the last 6-8 months. This winter seems to have finished everyone off.

Dunno about sugar coated - it looks more like shite coated in shit to me - I have no particular axe to grind except as an occasional NHS user.

Ita does annoy me other public sector workers bitching they haven’t got a pay rise either. They get plenty of perks the nhs staff don’t. I have quite a lots of public sector friends teachers, local authority staff, police etc. I don’t. See any of them paying to park where they work. They all had better maternity terms than me, their pensions are all just that little bit better and most get better holiday allowances. The nhs has always been the poor relation in he public sector, probably because it is female dominated.

And those saying get a job elsewhere don’t get that
The NHS holds a monopoly on healthcare jobs in this country, another reason they are able to keep wages low. Private jobs in niche clinical areas such as mine aren’t ten a penny and insurance has recently got a lot more expensive making it virtually impossible to do private work on the side. I am pretty much trapped unless I retrain in something else altogether.

Yep, it’s a shit deal and those who seem to think we have a fantastic pension are sorely mistaken.
I’ve been paying in for 10 years and my expected retirement age is 67. I certainly won’t be going on a round the world cruise when I retire!

So, if this weal is in fact shitter than many believed:

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/caroline-molloy/nhs-staff-discover-they-will-get-hundreds-of-pounds-less-than-they-thought

Possibly very shady. But why not being reported in the press, if this is indeed the case. Can anyone shed any light?

*deal not weal

So wrong that we the working class are...again been taken for a joy ride. The pay rise with the Nhs is such a slap..what the heck it's already been eaten up by the council tax rise and other PRIVATE COMPANY'S taking their CUT. WHAT PAY RISE? it's gonna get worse. I ask why aren't the working class standing up for a honest days work for a honest days wage? You know why? Cus we bombarded with media, who controls the media? It's about profit greed...they who ever they are do not care about the working class. The struggles we face ...liw wages making the elite richer. WHAT does the goverment DO? Nothing except make the rich richer and the poor more poor. We need to get the goverment to work for the poor not the rich there's tour answers...we have a 1% elite who are running this world by evil intents. Wake up please do your research. It's not gonna get better no matter what party gets in. They are all under the spell...money and greed...does not matter who they walk over. WAKE UP. Stand up for your rights..if we do not our kids will have a heavy burden financially. Thank you.

Mine has gone up £28 per month(before tax). I suppose I should be thankful....