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shesakeeper · 21/03/2018 19:13

Interested to read this in the Guardian today

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2018/mar/21/instagram-influencers-can-flog-stuff-all-day-but-its-weird-when-they-use-their-kids-to-do-it

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NotASingleDamnBiroInTheHouse · 25/03/2018 16:18

@badmotherpukka yeah I get that and I think that’s maybe part of the problem. It appears as if it costs nothing for the Instagrammers to create content. I mean, I have an Instagram account, right? It doesn’t cost me anything to post a pic up there. And if it gets 20 ‘likes’ I’m not going to go and sell those likes to the highest bidder.

Whether or not that’s a true reflection of the mechanics of it, that’s how it comes across.

Instagrammers aren’t media owners in the traditional way that a publication or a TV channel is a media owner. For a start, they’re co-opting someone else’s platform, so that’s a new model. And then, like I said, because of the conventions around social media and Instagram in particular, the most content on the feeds looks low production value (FOD’s elaborate montages excepted) and like it has been made at no cost.

The other thing I’d say is that all of this is only a problem (and this is something universal to advertisers and media owners across the board, not just unique to Instagram), if an advert doesn’t strike the right tone with the audience.

If I follow a mum vlogger, I absolutely don’t mind her being paid to give an honest review of the best organic weaning foods or to try nice nursing bras that don’t make you want to cry at the sight of them. Where it starts to jar is if she’s getting fitted out at Rigby & Peller for free, at that point she’s lost me.

And yes, unfollow is an option. But the entire blogger/brand/audience model is predicated on an emotional connection, isn’t it? Same reason people are loyal to Apple products their whole lives. Or are either ‘Nike’ or ‘Adidas’. It’s emotional and can’t be rationalised down to ‘if the brand does something you don’t like, just delete it off your radar.’ Because ultimately, sportswear is sportswear, smartphones are smartphones, mum bloggers are mum bloggers; the only real differentiation comes from the emotional appeal to the audience’s irrational side - ‘but I just like it!’

So, while people do go ahead and unfollow, it’s understandable that those who are disappointed to find the emotional connection they felt with a particular blogger’s ‘brand’ has been sold out, obviously they’re going to express that disappointment and it’ll have a negative reflection on that blogging brand.

Avoidance of that negative reflection should be any brand’s incentive to at least act like they’re not grabby, disingenuous or exploitative. That way the tacit agreement between audience and brand: we like each other because we’re for each other, can continue to exist.

But if a brand’s agenda is showing, people will flag it. And the onus is on the brand not to be cunty. I don’t think he onus should be on the audience to turn a blind eye.

You can’t build a brand on winning over an audience (or consumers), then do something to alienate that audience and tell them to bugger off if they don’t like it.

ISaidIWasTired · 25/03/2018 16:27

But Biro there is a lot of time involved. To get popular on instagram you need to write well/be funny/take great photos etc. It takes a huge amount of effort to build a big following so it makes sense that the time eventually needs to be monetised in some way.

LyndaSnellsFeet · 25/03/2018 16:35

I like parttimeworkingmummy and cigarettesandcalpol

Don't mind MOD myself as have to say I don't care about the ads. Don't follow FOD as I find him irritating.

I do follow susie verrill who confuses me as I often find her very funny but also she strikes me as someone who could be quite nasty if she wanted to.

The one who really irritates me is the yesmummum but that's only because I find anything hypnobirthing related irrationally annoying Grin

shesakeeper · 25/03/2018 16:52

Nobody has really touched on the role of agents here. I don't want this thread to become 'Ask Motherpukka' (though I appreciate her honesty and input) but presumably content costs money because agents are involved, no? Nearly all of the parents mentioned here are with big agencies, specialising in this kind of 'product'. These will be the people scouting out and negotiating deals, and the nature of the content.

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mac1981 · 25/03/2018 16:57

150 followers or 150k followers you are still criticising people you don’t actually know.
Your argument is you are being used as a persons follower so don’t follow them, it really is that simple it is your social media you are in control over what you see and what you don’t.
I for one have way more going on in the real world to worry about than whether someone I follow on Instagram is trying to sell something for someone else who is just trying to make a living and am out of this conversation.

WhatIfYourArmBursts · 25/03/2018 16:57

You don't have to build a huge following on Instagram, @ISaidIWasTired. You could do what lots of other people do, create funny content and great photos but lock your account and share it only with your family and friends. People who you probably really, properly, care whether they like your content or not. If you are aiming to build a large following, that can only be because you are a massive narcissist or you want to exploit that following. Otherwise you would go out and get another job.

ISaidIWasTired · 25/03/2018 17:01

Of course you don't have to. You do it because you want to - you enjoy writing and creating and photography and people who follow enjoy consuming it. Then as followers grow it often turns into a full time which in turn needs to be monetised.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2018 17:04

I don’t think it needs to be monetised but you might think why the hell not after doing it for so long

I hadn’t heard of SV but checked it out, she’s funny which is often lacking from those type of accounts

ISaidIWasTired · 25/03/2018 17:05
  • full time job

FWIW I don't enjoy the ads either, I doubt many people do but I totally understand why they become necessary.

WhatIfYourArmBursts · 25/03/2018 17:07

But you could do something else or send less time on it, it absolutely doesn't need to be monetised. Writing a caption and snapping a picture on your phone doesn't take a lot of time.

WhatIfYourArmBursts · 25/03/2018 17:09

That's the point, Marsha, why the hell not? Seems like a great idea. Doesn't it? Until someone points out why it maybe it isn't all it is cracked up to be.

ISaidIWasTired · 25/03/2018 17:10

Well yes either because why the hell not take the £ or because not many people can afford not to work and if you can make a living from Instagram then it can be a great, flexible job for a parent.

WhatIfYourArmBursts · 25/03/2018 17:13

I'm not denying that making a living from Instagram can be a great flexible job, but you then have to make a choice at the point when you decide to monetise it about whether to do it ethically and transparently or whether you prefer to be shady with your followers about the fact you are now earning money off their eyeballs.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2018 17:14

I love Hadley F’s writing and agree on the children as saleable content as being very iffy

My dc are learning e safety at school and said to me the other day you have to ask my permission before posting my photo online, bravo. They are 8 and 13 so not young. I came here when bored in their early days so no pics online anyway.

I can see how it just grows and the next thing you know your child is flogging holidays but it is one issue that is worth talking about.

Yvest · 25/03/2018 17:14

MOD can no longer really claim to be 'normal' can she? She's always on bloody holiday! I mean yes, most of us would jump at the chance like she has, but she can no longer claim to just be a normal mum/midwife with a life that everyone can relate to.

She never was, she is from an upper middle class background with loads of connections. Her family aren’t super wealthy but they’re staunchly upper middle class and she was privately educated.

shesakeeper · 25/03/2018 17:15

I could monetise my account quite easily, I have a pretty good idea of how and where to start doing it. I know people that do it too.

But my account reflects my real life, and therefore my kids. So it remains locked tight. If I had something I wanted to flog, be that something I'd created myself or something I was promoting for others, I'd create a separate account which was v clearly for business use.

I wouldn't try to cash in on my family life to make money because the minute you do that you lose any authenticity you had. You can't look back at a post and think 'Ah, that was the day DS lost his first tooth and asked me where rainbows come from...', instead you think 'Ah, there's DS pretending to like that bland breakfast cereal for money'

I think Motherpukka's family are 100% genuinely lovely, and they clearly adore each other, but I can't really understand the whole family branding thing. My family would think I was off my rocker if I tried to brand us all similarly and market us on social media.

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PaulDacreRimsGeese · 25/03/2018 17:32

Count me in as another who agrees with Hadley F about using your kids to hawk shit for profit being dodgy.

Fruitbowl2 · 25/03/2018 17:37

Yvest MOD has connections? - like the mafia.....or Dorset Cereal 😄

NotASingleDamnBiroInTheHouse · 25/03/2018 17:40

But Biro there is a lot of time involved. To get popular on instagram you need to write well/be funny/take great photos etc. It takes a huge amount of effort to build a big following so it makes sense that the time eventually needs to be monetised in some way.

Yes of course.

I guess what I’m trying to say in a very long-winded way, is if you get successful by amassing a huge following of flip flop wearers, don’t start trying to sell them diamond shoes.

ISaidIWasTired · 25/03/2018 17:41

You would need a sizeable following and interactive community to be able to make any real money from social media - a lot of accounts are probably started with that aim to be fair.

I agree on the kids thing, if I was going to use an account to make money I don't think it's right to put your children on it. Especially when they are older and more aware, I don't understand how you can teach them about being safe online whilst also plastering their personal details across the internet.

Fruitbowl2 · 25/03/2018 17:44

shesakeeper good point about the agents. I assumed they were for the book deals, silly me, not for cereal and roast spuds.

Mumofkids · 25/03/2018 17:57

Apart from the odd hello article, you don't see other people with forms of fame sharing intimate details of their kids. I'm kind of horrified that in that Grazia article, Anya Hooper had been asking how many likes a photo got. It's not healthy. I have a small account and post the odd photo of my kids but not their full names, older kids will not allow pics, and the younger ones quite rightly would not have a clue what a like is!! I've seen the dark side of the internet with a severely cyber bullied teen and it becomes such an important platform for growing kids. You think you can protect them but it is so hard. Lots of the parents seem quite confident and relatively thick skinned but what if your kids are completely different?

shesakeeper · 25/03/2018 17:59

Oh they've all got agents fruitbowl, they're businesses.

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Fruitbowl2 · 25/03/2018 18:05

Oh they've shared more intimate details than that mumofkids, just have a Google of MOFOD... I'm astounded too.

HouseHelpSOS · 25/03/2018 18:07

May I suggest you lot don't look at FODs stories today, I fear you'll react rather badly to the dancing, Kanye West and mini eggsGrin