to consider supermarkets should provide "dogging" spaces for 'doggers'..

[MrMariella]

Yes it would be a little controversial to re-paint the P&T signs, with 'dogging' signs...but with a little understanding it should work.....

I'm a natural

Ooh whereabouts on the A3 Lou?

where it joins junction 10 of the m25

Oh and just a quick BTW for DarrellRIvers: swingers tend to be rather more sensible about their sexual health and use condoms. It's the binge-drinking teens who are more likely to be spreading more than lurrrve around.

Point taken,but probably more true of gonorrhoea, chlamydia etc in the 16-24 age range but there was a recent syphilis outbreak in the Birmingham area which caused many health professionals to scartch their heads in wonderment as there have not been many cases of syphilis in years.
It was indeed contact traced to swingers hotel/and sex workers who had been involved there.
Thanks for the lecture.

Hmm, yes, but one outbreak which involved sex workers is different from implying (which perhaps you didn't mean to) that swinging in general contributes to lots more STIs: most swingers' clubs, etc have quite a lot of peer pressure to use condoms and take care of yourself.

Syphilis?!

Seriously?

How shocking! I thought that was some 17th-century thing.

Earl Grey, the motel is advertised as such, can't remember the name of it now. When it opened there was a tv programe about it. Everyone know what it is. Even my mohter. We were on the A5 the other day and I said "have we pased that motel yet?" and my mother said "no, have you been in?"

No I try not to generalise, particularly on internet forums.
This is the motel which was linked to the outbreak I think and the re-occurence of syphilis is a pretty big deal in this day and age, when it was previously vvvv rare.Quite interesting as well. (in sad geeky mode and admitting an interest in the spread and development of disease.
However we should blame those sex happy teens for their lack of ability to use a condom for the spread of chlamydia and gonorrhoea etc etc.
My generation was either to scared to have sex or mostly used condoms as the fear of HIV was banged into us whilst teenagers, so yes I think overall swingers would be more sensible than a 16-24 yo.(tiny generalisation)

I cannot even imagine 'swinging' and NOT USING A CONDOM.

Well, 'swinging' at all, but no condom?!

HepC.

That always springs to mind after working in a hospice and seeing several fairly young people - late 30s and early 40s - die from it.

I'm of the condom generation. I'm really worried to hear teenagers arn't using them. Time for a government campaign?

for expat here
not enough money ring fenced for sexual health anymore in cash strapped nhs

yes there is also something about getting syphilis and HIV together which exacerbates the progression of HIV/AIDS
scary stuff really

Yes, DR, there was a trend among some of my gay friends several years back about 'riding bareback', which absolutely shocked some older gay men who'd buried MANY friends due to HIV/AIDS.

There was this whole idea that even if you contracted HIV, you could just swallow a cocktail of drugs and somehow be okay.

But they were no more guilty of ignorance than any of my single, straight friends, many of whom thought nothing of blowing off the condom.

I have to say, I lived with a trauma doctor for a couple of years and we were pretty careless in the beginning . Granted, I knew him pretty well before I took up with him, but neither one of us was living in a convent or monastery before we met.

Yes I think now HIV/AIDs is not viewed as a 'death sentence' but more as a chronic illness from which you can live for many years as long as you taking the right medication.
God, I'm no saint, and really am quite lucky, although did once have a needle stick from someone who was sero-converting which was a horrid experience.

what is a dogger?
Someone with a dog or something else?

It's someone who has sex in a car - either with a known partner or a stranger or both - whilst others watch.

I believe MRMariella succintly summed it up a few post down

Sorry, I got graphic there.

Is that a dogger I see before me?

Shakespeare

They've been around for yonks.

gosh still here! Life in the old dogger yet.

pointy. That was so so dog gone awful.

DarrellRivers: Fair enough, sorry, didn't mean to snarl at you. I'm just a bit over-used to the mindset that getting any kind of STI is always down to Evil Promiscuity when really one doesn't need to be careless (or unlucky) more than once...

Good, none taken, I'm pretty non judgemental overall and would hate to be thought of as narrow minded.