To wonder why we hate our curves?

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Ive been reading the beauty myth by Naomi Wolf and she makes some very intetesting points about the diet industry.

In the 1950s etc when women weren't in the workplace, curves were celebrated. Monroe was a size 16.

Since the 1960s when Twiggy was a role model, women were more succesful at work so the patriarchy had to make women slaves to being thin to keep them in check.

So do men prefer curvy women? Isn't fat on females healthy? Ive read on here that men stop fancying their partners when they put on weight?

So are thinner women more attractive or is that just what society wants?

From experience and after reading threads on here, dieting makes us miserable and we have a bad relationship with food..so why hate our natural curves (not obesity rolls of fat.)?

Apparently we are only real if we have curves, Helena, which is a hugely misused word these days anyway.

Happens i do have them but heres the thing When i slimmed down i went from a 46 G bra size to a 32HH

I cannot buy a bra off the peg since our local department store closed. Thank God for Bravissimo.

I did try Yours but their back sizes start at a 38 and mine is a 32.

I saw a 46G in there but they never had it in this size years ago when i was that size.

Lots of culture s through time and and through the world find fatness attractive _ look at Reubens!
Men have different tastes but ime most dislike 'boyish' figures.what male fantasy image is flat chested?
I do not dislike curves, but I do dislike hypertension ,heart disease, diabetes

Possibly curvy celebrities like Kim Kardashian/Kylie Jenner are helping some young women to celebrate their curves again

Yeah. Possibly.

Really, though, probably not. Kim K et al are not examples of healthy, fit, naturally curvy bodies. That massive arse, tiny waist and huge boobs are not all plastic surgery, and not any more achievable than the Kate Moss look was for the vast majority of young women in the 90s.

The ‘curves’ that most people have look nothing like Kim K. (Which I don’t think is a bad thing, either.)

should say ‘are* all plastic surgery’

5plus again, it’s cultural. In many East Asian cultures, being as skinny as possible is absolutely the most desirable trait.

Also, in answer the the AIBU: we don’t hate our curves. We hate our fat, which is different altogether.

Helena it goes both ways with bras. I also can't buy bras off the peg because hardly anywhere makes bras in a 28 back - they mostly start at 30. So the small framed also struggle to find bras small enough in the back - I mostly buy bras in a 30C rather than the 28D I strictly am, because there's only a couple of styles in any brand that come in that size, and they are desperately unflattering to my particular shape. I think we can all agree that manufacturers suck!

There are no weights on the bar in the MM picture though.... That said she looks great in that pic but I wouldn't really call her a gym bunny in the way Rey from Star Wars is for instance.

I’ve been eating healthily and exercising for years, I’m 5ft 1.5 and 9.5 stone and at size 10 still not what many people on here would call a “normal size”.

Who would say a size 10 is not ‘normal’?

Sizes are utter bollocks. But I do think the word ‘curvy’ is mis-used.

I am curvy - rather curvy in fact, if you go by measurements. I’m alsoa size 8 and 5’11”. People say I’m slim or even skinny - and assume I’m lighter than I am quite significantly which is interesting. A colleague asked my weight and was shocked as she assumed I was approx. 6kgs lighter than I am. Which, fine, but shows how out of whack people see weight. A size 6 must be ‘tiny’; a tall person in a size 8 must be ‘skinny’. Not necessarily.

But would be quite happy if I could lose another half stone.

'Who would say a size 10 is not ‘normal’?'

On MN, everyone is 5ft., 10in and size 8 but with an hourglass figure who works out daily, eats clean and so will never get cancer or disease and the entire world has just lost sight of what is normal.

Eating healthier has always giving me a clearer mind, and I'm generally a more happy and positive person.

Over eating is never good for you! Everything in moderation. My mum just lost a stone and I haven't seen her feel more confident and happier with herself in years, I don't think we should normalise fat, but I also don't think we should normalise being too skinny either. Maintaining a healthy weight is very important, along with doing exercise etc.

Also it shouldn't be a permanent diet it should be a change in lifestyle - a healthier one. Download "myfitnesspal" it's sucha good app for tracking calories and achieving goals :)

They all look at least 10 years younger than they are and have a legion of people - colleagues, acquaintances on social media, neighbours, etc. - who routinely comment on them and with whom they mutually share the intimate minutiae of their lives - age, weight, finances, BMI, sex lives, etc.

I think one of the reasons people still drool over Marilyn's figure is that she was undeniably a sex bomb but at some points she definitely had a bit of a belly. For instance, in The Prince and the Showgirl, mentioned upthread. Nowadays they'd never use this dress for this body:

expatinscotland How true. A lot of them also don't have husbands who earn over 200k.

Although as much as we assume different body standards based on that, they still manipulated the image for the movie poster to smooth her out:

Oh yes, the people who always got dirty looks when out with their babies, from older ladies who assumed they were teen mothers. When they were actually 35.

Really expat? If it’s so dull to you, why even read it?

Most countries are not full of size 18 women claiming they are curvy. It seems to be the preserve of English speaking places.

Having massive rolls of fat and being unable to control your eating is not normal.

I hate posters like expatinscotland who try to pretend that "normal slim people" do not exist in the real world, and that no one knows anyone being a size 8/10 in the real world ever.

I give you a clue, if shops bother stocking size 6/8 and 10, there's someone to buy them! Friends of mine even buy their t-shirts in the kids section,and they are not "petite". Some people are very slim, some aren't. SIze 16-18 in Primark is bought by larger ladies, and slimmer pregnant ones to fit their bum.

I am bored about that rubbish and the digs against non-fat women. Get over yourself.

Husky I've seen those. Cringe cringe cringe.

ikeep yup, exactly. I live in Korea where being a size 4-6 is standard. They’re not necessarily smaller built either as people assume. They just don’t eat all day long.

Where on earth did expat say anything of the sort?!