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To rant about dieting

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Champagneandthestars · 20/03/2018 09:20

I've just lost 3 stone over 4 months and I'm so so so so sick of dieting! It's one step forward 2 back, if I even eat one OTT (normal) meal I put on 2 lb and have to eat 800 cals a day for a week just to get rid. I have boobs and hips and I love food! I'm the person who turns up to a picnic with enough to feed an army, cheesecakes serve 4 not 8. I know how to diet, I'm just so tired of watching everything that goes in my mouth to both lose and maintain. I watch people thoughtlessly eating crisps and cakes with blind envy. I hate healthy food and just want to eat crap! Sorry for the rant, needed to get that off my chest.

As you were.

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AjasLipstick · 22/03/2018 22:46

Sunday you say if you ate when you were hungry, then you'd be eating most of the time.

But are you certain you know what hungry feels like? You can't if you're hungry all the time....nobody really is.

Wanting some crisps isn't being hungry.

SundayGirls · 22/03/2018 22:49

I also said “but serialist” after that, Ajas Wink

I have a bmi of 22 and I eat healthily but it doesn’t stop me from sighing over the fact I can’t eat the kids of food I really like without getting fatter. It’s realky that simple. For me, I don’t need diet advice and I know exactly what’s healthy and I do it, but I don’t love it and I never will.

SundayGirls · 22/03/2018 22:49

*kinds

SundayGirls · 22/03/2018 22:50

And, *seriously. Damn you autocorrect!

Octopus37 · 22/03/2018 22:55

So hard isn't it, I hate dieting and always fail. I am a healthy BMI, nine and a half stone 5ft5 and a size 12, when the kids were little I was just under 8st so skinny. I have had a tough few years and am a comfort eater. I'm another one who genuinely doesn't like healthy food very much, I want cake, pizza, takeaways, pints of cider, crisps etc. Sometimes I think what is the point of eating well for health when My pension pot is so small, don't know if anyone else feels the same. Also don't feel any benefits when I do eat healthily, just hungry and moody. In September I went on a diet and really tried to train myself,you are not a dog you do not need a treat etc. List about 10 pounds in 6 weeks but fell off the wagon but after a stressful few months have put the wright back on. Thinking of reading some self help books as Zi think I need to get to the crux of why I eat do much and comfort eat rather than trying another diet which fills me with dread. Feel horribly envious of people who struggle to gain weight believe they must be Gods chosen ones

QuimReaper · 22/03/2018 23:00

Tufty you're so missing the point. The way of eating you describe is what the OP's doing, more or less. She's just plagued with constant desire to eat more and differently and it's a pain. The only difference between most people "on a diet" and your description of "mindful eating" is that the latter promotes itself as effortless, which it isn't for everybody. Why is it so hard to understand that food is addictive, and food addicts need to fight their addiction every single day, just like alcoholics do?

SundayGirls · 22/03/2018 23:46

Quim - and I wonder how many "vanity slim"/really slim people only genuinely eat "mindfully" without ever thinking "I'd love a slice/2nd slice of birthday bake but I won't because it'll put weight on".

I believe mindful eating works best for those with a BMI between (say) 23-28 best. i.e. slim enough or slim-ish or even having reduced from a much higher BMI - but not those who are or are wishing to be vanity/really slim (without being thin or too thin).

SundayGirls · 22/03/2018 23:48

Do you know though, I am really glad I've found this thread. It always seems like anyone reasonably slim does it by magic whereas it seems a lot of people (like me) can do it, but it's not by magic. It's by willpower, effort and vanity (in my case).

AjasLipstick · 23/03/2018 02:43

Sundays Vanity Slim is a bollocksy phrase really.

Slim is healthy whether the slim person is a struggling food addict or someone who naturally manages their food intake without stress.

Peanutbuttercups21 · 23/03/2018 06:56

Champagne, I know. But it is like that for lots of us.

Being slim, especially once you are no longer 21, requires effort

RickOShay · 23/03/2018 06:58

fwiw my bmi is 23. But I have to keep my foot firmly on the gas to maintain that. I would prefer to eat cream buns and go to bed hungry, than steamed fish and vegetables.

TuftedLadyGrotto · 23/03/2018 07:20

As I said I'm overweight. I have history of dieting and bingeing.

Look, read the science yourself, watch the TED talk. I'm summarising her book. She calls it mindful eating. It's just eating.

I trying to eat when I'm hungry, making healthy choices - not by calories but by fruit/veg content. I'm not banning anything. But because I'm not denying. Myself anything I don't feel the desire to binge on junk food. Because I can have it when I want.

I also think of I'm hungry I'll eat something filling that I like. Instead of speeding eating junk food.

I'm not preaching. But it is scientific fact that diets don't work. None. Not even when you say it's a lifestyle change. Only 2% of people ever manage to maintain such a lifestyle change.

SundayGirls · 23/03/2018 07:27

Ajas lighten up, and you'e misinterpreted the phrase in the way that I have clearly used it throughout.

Vanity slim, in the manner I've clearly used it throughout, is that I don't need to be any slimmer technically as I'm already healthily slim with a BMI of 22. But I would like to be another half stone to a stone off, it won't improve my health any further so it's for looks (vanity) only.

It's nothing to do with if the slim person is a struggling food addict or manages their food intake without stress?!

Can't help thinking you're looking for things to pick on now.

Eolian · 23/03/2018 07:43

I think it partly depends where you are on the scale. If you are just a little bit heavier than you'd like and are a pretty normal eater, always wanting to achieve 'properly slim', then yes it's probably always going to take effort, and 'eating normally' won't get you to your ideal shape.

If you are a binge eater or a junk food addict worried about your health, or if you're very overweight, or if your main aim is to rid yourself of the diet mentality rather than to achieve a great figure, then learning to eat normally would be a huge achievement and porentially life-changing, mind-freeing and health-improving, even if you never become properly slim.

Jaygee61 · 23/03/2018 07:45

I don’t actually deny myself anything either. Just don’t keep crisps, biscuits or cake in the house. I have largely lost the craving for them. If I do get the urge to buy some crisps at lunchtime I resist it. I’m not vanity slim but just about a healthy weight.

QuimReaper · 23/03/2018 10:39

Sunday I think there are some who do in their 20s and early 30s. Getting towards 40s I think far fewer, as that's when metabolism tends to catch up with you whatever your lifestyle. I think I mentioned upthread that I was one: I never ever thought about what went in my mouth, and I weighed under 8 stone. When I think about what I used to eat I find it unbelievable, but like I said, I've spent an inordinate amount of time wondering what changed, and although some of it may be age / metabolism, my weight gain very definitely started at the point I moved in with DH; I noticed it almost straight away and I didn't get round to really doing anything about it until it'd crept up to about a 10-11kg gain, because I was in shock at having to think about it at all.

The fact that I could so exactly pinpoint when it started makes it easier to analyse what I'm doing differently, and when I think about it, it really is just small changes which added up: as my friends and I got older, had more disposable income, and life got a bit more hectic, our social lives came to revolve around sitting and consuming. Before then, even though I feel like we ate and drank loads, it tended to be huddled around a picnic bench in a pub garden in winter coats, chain smoking and slugging wine, but then someone'd go and grab a few bags of crisps or a couple of bowls of chips, and then we'd drunkenly inhale some toast when we got in - there wasn't a real meal, and there was a lot of walking around either side. It was just a lot more active, being cold and shouting over each other and bobbing up and down the whole time. Compare that with what we started doing once we could afford it and were tired after a day at work: going to the pub meant finding somewhere with a warm dining room, sitting much more relaxedly, putting away a 3-course meal, and probably even more wine because it was with food. Or go to each others' houses and do the same. Get a taxi back and forth if we were feeling lazy or it was cold or an awkward journey instead of stomping between bus stops.

On top of that I started having wine with dinner most nights because I could keep it in the fridge without it getting pinched by unscrupulous housemates Angry; again this puzzles me because I lived alone at university and did the same, but back then, I had to walk about 20-25 minutes to uni every day (and back, obviously) and thought nothing of "popping home to get changed" before going out again, i.e. adding a casual extra 45 minutes exercise to my day (I'd never do that now), and then "going out" was quite active too, we seldom sat in restaurants. Ultimately my tolerance for alcohol was much lower 9-10 years ago, so I'd have a glass and genuinely not really think to have another. It's been a long time since that happened to me now!

OK, I'll stop rambling - my point is that when I really scrutinise my lifestyle differences, they just involve being less impoverished and less sedentary, and will power just doesn't really play into it in my case. (Again, age / metabolism might be a factor, but that's not really quantifiable so I ignore it.) I simply hadn't developed the terrible habits I have now, so I didn't need to "fight" them. It's little things, like I remember packing up my room to move in with DH, it took far, far longer than I'd anticipated and by 10pm I was just exhausted and stressed, and I thought "oh I know what I need - a pizza!". It took all that time for it to occur to me and it was like a gigantic treat to galvanise me. I do it all the time now. I think some people can cruise through life without ever developing those bad habits - I think I know a few, but as you say, not very many at all.

ParisUSM · 23/03/2018 11:34

I think the difficulty with that NYT article is that any weight loss study relies on people being honest about what they eat, and pretty much no-one is. So the people who gained weight while trying to maintain a lower weight probably ate more than they admitted.

Mindful eating sounds ok if you have a flexible day but most of us have to eat at specific break times. I would also feel faint if I didn't eat pretty soon after getting hungry so can't risk waiting. My BMI is only 20 but all extra weight goes onto my stomach which is stupid looking and uncomfortable. I just stop buying rubbish when I need to drop a couple of poinds - once you've bought chocolate you're going to eat it!

TuftedLadyGrotto · 23/03/2018 12:26

You definitely shouldn't wait if you are hungry.

Some of the studies she references in her book are institutional studies- prisoners of war, people kept living with the study and controlled food. There are lots of those.

The Dutch famine study and information is fascinating as it shows how eating patterns and susceptibility to obesity can be passed through genes.

thenightsky · 23/03/2018 12:40

@Jaygee61 I don’t actually deny myself anything

But then you go on to say... I don’t keep crisps, biscuits or cake in the house So you do deny yourself crisps, biscuits and cake?

If I do get the urge to buy some crisps at lunchtime I resist it. Again, this is denying yourself surely?

I do both the above too, but I do call it 'denying myself'. Confused

SundayGirls · 23/03/2018 12:58

Quim - I'm totally with you on the "when I was in my 20s I could eat what I wanted and never put on a pound" yes because probably we were all far more active then in ways we can't measure - dancing at a club instead of sitting round a bar; walking everywhere, not eating the entire of "proper meals" even if we made them etc.etc.

I am mid 40s now, I'm 5'7" and today I'm 10st 4lb which is the exact weight I was at both 17 and 24. Between 17 and 24 I was a student and instead of gaining the "fresher 10" I lost around a stone and a half by walking, dancing, eating more sporadically so I weighed 8st something all through college and uni.

After uni I moved in with my BF and then I worked so didn't move as much, sedentary office job, we stayed in drinking wine and eating pizza and couldn't afford to go out as much etc. So I started Slimming World aged 24 at 10st 4lb when I realised I felt chunkier than normal. I remember it like yesterday, I lost 4lb the first week, 2lb the second week and got to 9st 6. Bobbed between that and 10st for the rest of my 20s.

Putting on weight during and after DCs took me to 14 1/2st at my heaviest. 6 months after birth of 1st DC I'd settled at around 13st 10.
I lost a bit then resettled at 11st 7.

A few years ago I made a massive effort to restart healthy eating as I was sick of being fat and frumpy. So I did my own diet (no diet club just healthy eating), went to 9 1/2 st and stayed there for a few years until last autumn when it's crept up to 10st 8 and now I'm back on my plan, it's reducing again (hopefully to 9 1/2 st).

Personally for me I don't think age comes into it except for external factors like more disposable income, different ways of socialising etc. I haven't noticed its harder or easier to put on or lose weight at all and I am now mid-40s. I don't think it's a "done deal" that a person will put weight on just because of age.

The only thing I think might make a difference is the menopause because of hormone changes - but even then, I'm hoping that it's not automatic to pile on weight. I might have to be slightly stricter but I am not going to spend my 50s and 60s etc in elasticated waists, going back to 11st 7. I hated being bigger and I can't go back there again.

Ohyesiam · 23/03/2018 13:01

Diets generally only work out n the short term. I am working on changing my relationship to food, and responding to my body’s full signal.
Have a look at Paul McKenna, and look at Gillian Riley ‘s Ted talk on you tube.
I want freedom from dieting, and freedom from weight gain. I’m almost beginning to believe it’s possible.

CoffeeOrSleep · 23/03/2018 13:06

Thank you thenightsky - I hate this sort of dishonest attitude! If you are still wanting the crisps but not eating them, then you haven't "retrained" your body not to want the junk...

it's unhelpful for people like the OP who has stuck at it for years - doing all the 'right' things, yet never getting that moment when she magically doesn't want the junk she's denying herself. It does help to hear that you aren't allow, that some how you arent weaker than other people that you haven't had the shift in your tastes.

I don't practice self control by not having things in the house, because my belly size is my issue, not my DHs or DCs, so I refuse to be one of those woman who won't let 'nice' food be in the house because they haven't actually got any self control.

Right now, there's chocolate buttons, milky bars, 'posh' dark chocolate, 3 types of biscuits, a tub of icecream, some little cakes and 2 types of crisps in our house. And I'm eating none of it. But I really want to - even though I've had a filling and balanced lunch. It would be easier if I didn't know it was there, I refuse to make other people suffer for my greed.

Jaygee61 · 23/03/2018 13:07

You're right to some extent yes resisting the urge to buy a packet of crisps at lunchtime at work is denying myself. But at home I find I don't actually crave stuff I don't have in the house. So It's not denying myself if I didn't want it in the first place.

CoffeeOrSleep · 23/03/2018 13:11

Sunday - actually when I was at uni (small size 6, ate everything), the 1st years were asked to complete time and motion logs for some other students - what we were doing on each day so they could make pretty graphs. I was a bit skint so avoided paying out for buses if I could, and my halls and lecture theatres were spread out. at the end of the week we worked out I spent an average of 2.5 hours a day walking (and I was at Sheffield which is pretty hilly). i also went clubbing at least twice a week.

If you asked me then, I'd say I didn't do any exercise because I didn't put on gym gear and do dedicated exercise/sport.

But I also thought I "couldn't" gain weight Grin

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