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To wonder why MNers are so obsessed with Brexit now?

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LoveInTokyo · 13/03/2018 20:10

I used to post on MN before the referendum and I saw very little discussion about Brexit in AIBU (although I think a lot of threads started in AIBU were moved to the EU Referendum topic).

In the EU Referendum topic traffic was fairly slow and there were just a few posters battling it out time and time again. A few posters on the leave side were, in my view, 99% likely to be paid trolls, who all disappeared immediately after the referendum.

Since the referendum the subject really seems to have picked up steam and there seem to be loads of people getting really worked up about how Brexit is a disaster and the country is going to the dogs.

AIBU to wonder where all these people were before, and why they weren’t all shouting from the rooftops when there was still a chance to change the result?

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Motheroffourdragons · 14/03/2018 17:38

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AllisLost · 14/03/2018 19:23

Sorry, LoveinTokyo - I had to go out and didn't see your question to me.

I said that a recognition of some of the difficulties that the EU was causing some people might have helped. What I meant was that when an area has a very high percentage of EU immigrants, when your sector cannot compete with the competition from Europe, if you are a haulage driver dealing with thugs in Calais, when you are never going to get to the top of the LA housing list, when you have to fight for every minute of a TA's time for your SEN child and you see yourself being pushed further out and told that you are thick and racist when you try to say "but that's not fair" rather than having people take you seriously and attempt to understand or alleviate your situation - then you despair.

I saw a lot of this in my work and was not surprised by the vote. These people are still being dismissed.

ILoveAntButHateDec · 14/03/2018 19:43

Some people can't help but scaremonger. That's it in a nutshell. We are on our way out of the EU. There's nothing more we can do about it. I can't see why people keep whinging about Brexit tbh - unless they think they can change things, which they can't, so we will just have to wait and see whether the UK voted for a good thing or a bad thing. Until we actually leave the EU we won't know...

Snowmagedon · 14/03/2018 19:55

Hmm paid trolls, right.

I don't know what threads you were on but there was plenty of discussion. Before and after and it's rather unpleasant to cast aspersions on people who had a different view to you as paid trolls! Maybe this is why people don't bother to post?

Snowmagedon · 14/03/2018 20:01

Mother of dragons, I would say at a hard push remainers have engaged leavers in debate.( how kind of you the remainers by the way Hmm

Actually it's more a case of rabid bitter remainers seizing on any poster who may not even be a leaver but dares to say something positive about leaving then like piranhas you all start demanding answers, reasons... Whys.. When leavers have taken the bait and given you some they are dismissed immediately out of hand. They a re then subjected to abuse.

Wrong links, wrong source, wrong reasons... As I said in another email thread... My observations are that some posters would do better working on thier assimilation of information rather than asking to hear and read the same stuff over again.

Motheroffourdragons · 14/03/2018 20:32

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2018 21:39

Leavers: idea about why good to leave in principle

Remainers: more practical about how you actually are going to achieve that (or aren't).

Between those two points lies the argument. Can you achieve the ideological principle you set out to, in practice?

That then leads to remainers being regarded as 'spoil sports' or simply 'obstructive' and leavers being regarded as 'fantatists'.

I seem to remember arguments ending up pretty circular around those two points, prior to the vote too.

Personally I find that conflict still really frustrating and totally unresolved. And thats why there is still political problems.

Brexit sounds to many like a great idea. The trouble is, how do you turn a good idea into a good business? It need not be a business, it could be an idea to improve the quality of people's lives. Same concept.

You need more than an idea, you need a visionary to see it through.

And in British politics we have a lot of people who are good at talking, but not much good at the doing stuff.

Thats why Brexit still fails for me. Give it some substance and some pragmatic realism and I could be persuaded. Its the fact we are still stuck on ideology not the nitty gritty of how it will work. It could be the best idea in the world. But without someone to see it through, its just got stuck.

Its always the responsibility of someone else to work out the gap and do the hard work. We are stuck in this loop we seem unable to escape over it.

Its all desperately sad, as I don't see either leavers nor remainers ever getting the result they wanted to see.

Neither side ultimately wins. We all lose.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/03/2018 21:56

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/03/2018 21:58

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Talkstotrees · 14/03/2018 22:13

Claig! That’s a blast from the past. Quite a frightening one though.

I think the Brexit plans and impact statements should have been completed and available to all before the referendum. I don’t think campaigns, as such, should happen - just give the people the facts and let them decide based on those facts.

Too late now though Sad

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/03/2018 22:19

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Talkstotrees · 14/03/2018 22:23

Oh. I’m slightly disappointed. Those threads were ConfusedShockAngryGin.

Did Claig explode in the end? - I remember being quite concerned about her/his/their MH.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/03/2018 22:24

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/03/2018 22:26

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Talkstotrees · 14/03/2018 22:31

Grin Was a spectacular feat. She/he/they had problems sleeping as I remember - might have contributed to her/his/their, umm, propensity for, maybe, irrationality towards the end. Honestly, it was a car crash.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/03/2018 22:36

Because it is a bandwagon that you have to join if you want to appear educated and liberal minded

Im not educated or liberal minded

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 14/03/2018 22:38

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2018 22:46

I didn't bite on that bandwagon and liberal minded thing.

I think ive posted enough lately on how illiberal 'progressives' are posing as something they aren't.

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/03/2018 23:01

Fair enough red

Its just such a twattish thing to say that i cant resist it Blush

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Posters who say that are usually referring to labour voting degree holders (i dont think holders is right)

I dont get how having a degree is a bad thing...maybe they are jealous?? Dunno...dont know why someone would feel jealous either to be fair Grin

Talkstotrees · 14/03/2018 23:02

Not sure why anyone would take exception to liberalism either.

To wonder why MNers are so obsessed with Brexit now?
Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/03/2018 23:03

Like i said talks

I dont think they mean liberal...they seem to mean labour voters Grin

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/03/2018 23:07

Could be worse

On another thread posters were taking the mickey out of someone buying olive oil to get ahead of price rises

So you could be a labour voting, olive oil eating degree holder Shock

Talkstotrees · 14/03/2018 23:07

Ah, they mean lefty libtard snowflakes? Got ya 👍

The state of our national political debate is woeful 😞

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 14/03/2018 23:09

Yeah thats it talk

Grin