to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

You got all of that out of a sentence about snow?

Yep. The question betrayed your ignorance.

Missionitspossible - if you read the thread you would realise that people don't accept Brexit because of the huge damage it is doing to the country. Personally I don't think wanting to protect the UK from shooting itself in the foot is unpatriotic. Can you explain why you think that disrupting the supply chain isn't risky or do you really think that things can just carry on as they always have?

Better still can Mission explain her plans to resolve the NI border and trade issues. She voted for this so she must have an answer.

Nobody is whining though, are they? That is just you projecting your own stereotypes of Remainers onto us. In fact, people are giving genuine reasons explaining why they are worried which you haven't addressed at all.

@tortelliniforever

or do you really think that things can just carry on as they always have? Are you talking about the last 40 so years or so or the thousands before it before the EU existed?

@TatianaLarina How rude. I can have a difference of opinion to you and manage not to insult. Are you not capable of doing the same?

Oh we've accepted the result all right, but going la,la,la we won, doesn't sort out the many things which need to be done. As a nation we haven't been self-sufficient in food for at least 100 years, so it would take a major effort now, as during the last war with rationing, to ensure that we are fed.

Whining, the stamping of feet, refusal to acknowledge the word no and crying that it’s unfair reminds me of acting like a child too.

Typical and predictable Brexiter tactic. This is all they have left because they refuse to engage with the many, many issues that Brexit poses.

The extreme Brexiters in May's cabinet are doing nothing but whine. When she makes some sort of compromise with the EU, which others of us would say is dialogue and give and take, they start bellyaching about it. However, none of them are prepared to either put up or shut up.

I was just stating a fact Mission, not intending to be rude.

I’m waiting for your plans to resolve the NI border issue at the same time as UK ports to avert border delays and supply chain problems.

Sorry to keep banging this Irish border drum, but it’s important. And relevant to the idea of “betrayal”, as suggested by Daphne.

There needs to be a hard border somewhere. Currently that hard border is around all member states of the EU (plus a couple of others depending on whether they are in the single market/customs union).

Going forward, there are three options.

1. We remain in the single market/customs union and the hard border remains where it currently is.

If we choose this option, according to many leavers, we will be betraying everyone who voted leave in the referendum.

1. We leave the single market and customs union and put up a hard border in Ireland.

If we take this option, we are breaching an international treaty, betraying everyone in Northern Ireland (particularly those who identify as Irish rather than British), not respecting the result of the referendum on the Good Friday Agreement, and risking people’s lives and safety with a return to the violence and unrest of the (fairly recent) past.

1. Northern Ireland remains in the single market and customs union and the hard border goes in the Irish Sea.

If we choose this option, the DUP will go apeshit and withdraw their support from the government, we betray everyone in Northern Ireland who identifies as British, the structural integrity of the UK will be threatened (it greatly increases the chances of Northern Ireland breaking away to join the Republic), Scotland will also go apeshit (and want the same deal, which would involve a hard border between England and Scotland and an increased likelihood of Scottish independence too) and the risk of increased violence in Northern Ireland (as per option 2) is also likely.

Which option should we go for?

I genuinely want to know.

I work with a lot of large businesses who are actively planning to move jobs out of the UK and into Europe over the next 12 months. Some of these jobs might have moved anyway but are it has definitely brought it forward.

We've postponed some chunky home improvements in the past year because we're worried about our jobs and would rather have the cash in the bank at the moment. We've also gone for a much longer mortgage fix to protect against market upheaval over the next two plus years. Sensible financial planning in my book.

In fact, people are giving genuine reasons explaining why they are worried which you haven't addressed at all.

The thing is though, that a lot of people who voted leave did that because they had genuine reasons and worries which hadn’t been addressed for decades. And part of the reason a lot of them voted leave was because the EU and the remain campaign spectacularly failed to address those worries.

Can you imagine what a construction worker who’s seen their wages sometimes halved overnight and the conditions they work in deteriorate hugely over the last two decades would say to a remainer who complained nobody was listening to their concerns? They’d laugh in their face.

Are you talking about the last 40 so years or so or the thousands before it before the EU existed?

Yes, because international trade worked exactly the same way in the Middle Ages as it does now. When we leave the EU we are not going to be able to continue to trade exactly as we are doing now. Do you really think this is not going to be a problem at all? Do you actually know how complicated international trade is? You seem to be suggesting that things will just get miraculously sorted and yes, that is at best ingenous some would say childish.

Indeed LoveInTokyo and for those Leavers who are upset about betrayal, remember that the question was about should we Remain or Leave the EU? There was no question about should we leave the single market and customs union? This is just May and her two advisers interpretation of what the result meant.

There’s an option 4. which is to leave the customs union and single market and sign a bilateral customs union deal which involves full alignment on single market and customs union regulations as per the NI agreement.

That would give us the cover we currently have but with no input into the regulations we have to follow. So staying in cu/sm is infinitely preferable but the above is workable.

Not one single Brexiter has explained how any of these issues will be solved. Because they can't.

We've tried to emigrate to Australia but looks like the visa won't be forthcoming. Failing that probably stockpile on gin and use that to keep calm and carry on.

But for all ardent Brexiters wibble on about respecting democracy and respecting the referendum let's be clear, they only care about the Brexit referendum and could not care less about the GFA referendum. They will happily see that ripped up in pursuit of their goal.

This is so true. And (as a NI native) so very depressing.

OMG!! We aren't ever going to eat again!😱😱😱 Our clothes will soon be rags and we won't be able to find a clothes shop anywhere 😤😤😤

What about when my car dies?? I'll never be able to drive again because no car dealers will want to sell me a car because I live in UK!! 😰😰😰

OMG! What am I going to do if my employer shuts his business down because he "needs" to move to Spain where all is rosy..... 😂😂😂😂

What about my children?? OMG! My poor children!! I bet their school won't open ever again because you know..Brexit...

All in all its a bit pointless digging a bunker. We may as well wait for the UK to instantaneously combust!!

The principle cause for contraction in wages was the financial crisis not EU immigration.

An LSE study found that areas of Britain with the biggest influx EU workers did not suffer sharper falls in pay or seen a bigger reduction in job opportunities than other parts of the country with few immigrants.

Any answer to the Northern Ireland question, Ilove?

Can you imagine what a construction worker who’s seen their wages sometimes halved overnight and the conditions they work in deteriorate hugely over the last two decades would say to a remainer who complained nobody was listening to their concerns?

This is not about the EU though. It's about globalisation and our own governments' (for many years) handling of the economy. Conditions for workers have actually improved under the EU, although Britain fought to opt out of some of those improvements.

This has been pointed out and was pointed out before the referendum for anyone who was listening and reading anything other than the tabloids.

^ see not seen

And Brits abraod ILove?

Yep, more boring empty headed Brexiter nonsense. Refusing to engage with a single issue. So boring.