to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

I voted remain but I think some of the panic is extreme. What do you think is likely to happen? We suddenly won't have food? Britain is a rich country, people will continue to trade with us

Exactly!
The scaremongering on this thread is bordering on hysteria!

will of the people claptrap again. Can the will of the people not change once they see the unfolding disaster?

Maybe Portillo has had both since childhood? I think it's different if you have both from infancy, I think (but don't know for sure) that there's a process you can go through to retain both but it has to be done before 18 or 21. You definitely can't have both as far as Spain is concerned if you take Spanish citizenship as an adult from another country, I.e born and grew up elsewhere and moved to Spain.

And now Unilever is moving to Rotterdam...every day it gets worse and worse.

They won something. They’re not exactly sure what it was but there’s no way they’re giving it back. No way. No matter what. Brexit is their prize - the first time anyone had to listen to them. I have some sympathy for their plight but not for the stupidity of picking the wrong cause. Brexit will ruin them and ruin the UK. And the Govt knows this.

I don't think worries about food are scaremongering - we already have people reliant on food banks, and in practice we can only feed ourselves for about 3 days without imports. If I saw members of the Govt really sitting down and trying to thrash out the details about the food supply chain, then I would be less worried. I don't see them doing that.

Is the 'will of the people' going to put food in their stomachs?

Three days worth of snow the other week, managed to wreck the supermarket supplies of food. No doubt assisted by some panic buying, so we do have a foretaste of what might happen.

What does a few days of extreme weather have anything to do with remaining or leaving the European Union? God, would people like some drinks to add to their clutching of straws? Ironically, those that proclaim the UK has made a terrible mistake in voting leave sure seem to take a perverse delight in imagining it happening. How can you say you love your country?

you can lol all you want, even the government's own reports say this.

The governments reports pre vote predicted a vote to Remain. You simply don’t know what will happen. Nobody does. End of.

Personally I think hard brexit and a return to a hard border in Ireland would be a total betrayal of everyone who lives in Northern Ireland or voted in the referendum on the Good Friday agreement.

Daphne, there is no way to do this without betraying a large number of people.

We shouldn’t have had a referendum because it has created a situation where nobody can win. Follow through with Brexit and many people’s lives and livelihoods could be destroyed. Abandon it and people like you will say you’ve been betrayed. Follow through with Brexit, destroy the UK’s prosperity and fail to deliver any of the promised benefits (currently the most likely scenario) and you’ve pretty much betrayed everyone.

The UK population is majority white. Imagine we had a referendum on whether white people should get paid twice as much as ethnic minorities. I would like to think that we as a country would be decent and civilised enough to reject that idea completely. But there’s always a risk that people would vote selfishly. If you then said, sorry, we can’t do this, it’s too harmful to ethnic minorities, the majority who voted for it could claim that they’d been betrayed.

It’s an extreme example but it shows how an ill thought out referendum has the potential to cause enormous harm and suffering to minority groups.

I'm not sure what snow or food banks have to do with brexit.
Countries will continue to trade with us. They need our money and will continue to send food for it.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for Britain to become a bit more self reliant wrt producing food and products though.

MissionItsPossible - it is an example of how even a small delay in supply chains can have a big knock-on effect. A similar delay is likely to be caused by introducing checks on goods entering the country - checks that don't currently have to take place. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand: we voted leave (as so many people seem keen to point out) so we will not be able to benefit from the advantages of being in the union and freedom of movement for goods and people). I am genuinely confused by Leavers who seem to think we can leave and keep the advantages of remaining??!

It’s precisely because we live our country that we are concerned.

I’m losing touch with which thread is which but the reasons for the potential of empty shelves have been pointed out in previous posts (and in the media).

What does a few days of extreme weather have anything to do with remaining or leaving the European Union?

It shows how very easily the food supply chain can be disrupted. Since you need it spelling out - if the lorries bringing the food in get held up in customs, then that could easily cause an equivalent disruption. We don't know, what will happen, but we don't have the cleverest negotiators. You lot won, we're leaving, but I for one don't see your empty talk putting food in anyone's bellies!

seem to take a perverse delight in imagining it happening. How can you say you love your country?

Yes, let's stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything is going marvellously, like all true patriots!

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OK so we have the equivalent of the War time 'Dig for Victory' campaign preparing us right now, do we? I must say, I have missed it, if so.

The UK population is majority white. Imagine we had a referendum on whether white people should get paid twice as much as ethnic minorities. I would like to think that we as a country would be decent and civilised enough to reject that idea completely. But there’s always a risk that people would vote selfishly. If you then said, sorry, we can’t do this, it’s too harmful to ethnic minorities, the majority who voted for it could claim that they’d been betrayed.

What does a few days of extreme weather have anything to do with remaining or leaving the European Union

So what you’re saying is that you have no idea of the issues around borders and ports in the event of no deal, or the event of a decision to go with WTO tariffs before the border infrastructure is ready (about 5-8 years) and have never researched these issues.

I don’t particularly love my country what an absurd idea, nor would any sense of loyalty to it ever blind me to its imbecilities.

What does a few days of extreme weather have anything to do with remaining or leaving the European Union? God, would people like some drinks to add to their clutching of straws?

God, is this not obvious? Extreme weather is a disruption in the supply chain. And a disruption in the supply chain is exactly what will happen if we leave without trade agreements in place. The government have done precisely nothing so far to sort this out by the way.

How can you say you love your country?

Actually I think taking an extreme action (like leaving the EU) without any thought to the consequences and once done, not prioritising any planning that will smooth the way is the exact opposite of loving your country.

There's a mentality among leavers that 'loving your country' is about blithely assuming everything will be fine, refusing to engage with the hard graft that might make that the case and responding to difficulties ahead with 'lalala, not listening'. I don't call that loving one's country. I call that acting like a child.

Personally I think hard brexit and a return to a hard border in Ireland would be a total betrayal of everyone who lives in Northern Ireland or voted in the referendum on the Good Friday agreement.

It most definitely would! But for all ardent Brexiters wibble on about respecting democracy and respecting the referendum let's be clear, they only care about the Brexit referendum and could not care less about the GFA referendum. They will happily see that ripped up in pursuit of their goal.

Indeed with the current infrastructure, just leaving the single market and customs union will cause signifying problems and delays.

But you know all this right as you read up on it before you voted?

I am genuinely confused by Leavers who seem to think we can leave and keep the advantages of remaining??!

I am genuinely (not really) confused by people that still haven’t accepted the referendum result years later.

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So what you’re saying is that you have no idea of the issues around borders and ports in the event of no deal, or the event of a decision to go with WTO tariffs before the border infrastructure is ready (about 5-8 years) and have never researched these issues.

You got all of that out of a sentence about snow?

There's a mentality among leavers that 'loving your country' is about blithely assuming everything will be fine, refusing to engage with the hard graft that might make that the case and responding to difficulties ahead with 'lalala, not listening'. I don't call that loving one's country. I call that acting like a child.

Whining, the stamping of feet, refusal to acknowledge the word no and crying that it’s unfair reminds me of acting like a child too.👍🏽