to ask how you’re preparing for Brexit?

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There is so much uncertainty surrounding what will happen with trade deals and goodness knows what else, that I’m starting to wonder about making some sensible plans.

We have put a stop to some planned works we wanted to do to our house, we have downsized to one car and we grow a small amount of veg. We keep some stocks of food in the house but we have a large family so I never feel like we’d have enough.
We have discussed not taking a holiday this summer and DH is taking every training course possible at work in order to diversify his skills should his industry go tits up.

I’m wondering what decisions you’re making in your homes for what could possibly be a really uncertain time for a few years.

Nothing. Except I have of course done the usual and cleared the tesco bread aisle and stored it all in the freezer. Isn’t that what we have to do?

No olive oil though.
Will work on the bunker..

Shouldn't wales have been told this before they got more devolution?

The question asked was what does the EU have that the UK needs anyway or something like that. Will find that post again and re-read it.

Someone posted in response 'life saving meds'. How is your response in anyway to do with Brexit? I don't even think I follow what you mean...

This was the original Q:

Mmm... If I were desperate I’m sure I could make my own 🍷. Is there anything the EU countries have that UK citizens really couldn’t live without??

Dancing I don't think a lot of people have much choice if they want to stay with their family. They are well aware of the no dual nationality thing, it's often the reason they never did it before, which is why it fucks people off to then be told they are being hysterical.

On a side issue, I've heard that in practice, the UK doesn't recognise the renouncing iyswim, so you could at any point later on renew your UK passport even if you'd taken Spanish nationality. Don't know how true that is.

Also the way social care is being decimated in the UK and will continue to deteriorate after Brexit, it's hardly the promised land for the elderly poor either.

We've moved to Spain.

My preference for wine is Chile or Argentina, so I’m not worried.

90% of UK medicines are imported, and of that number 45% come from the EU. At least two years after the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 are needed to work out a new supply system with the MHRA and others.

Another concern is that if the UK had a post-Brexit trade agreement with the US for example it would mean drugs would start to leave the UK because they were 50% cheaper than the cost of the same medicines in the US.

Martin Sawyer, executive director of the Healthcare Distribution Association, which represents businesses that supply medicines to the UK chain, told MPs:“We have got to be really careful about doing trade deals with well-off countries because they could start sucking medicines out of the UK.”

I'm not preparing for Armageddon but still getting my Irish ☘️ passport.

Have loads of tins of beans anyway unhelpful.

@abilockhart by the same token, post Brexit does it mean that we will have more laxed pharmaceutical regulation and may get some imports that aren't necessarily proven safe?

To all those planning on getting Spanish citizenship, you do realise that you have to renounce your original citizenship

I don't think this is true. There was a court case about it a while ago involving a German wanting to take Spanish citizenship. Apparently EU law prevents a country in the EU forcing citizens of another EU country to renounce citizenship to take on a second EU citizenship. Of course we will no longer benefit from this soon.

The remain campaign had everything going for it, it was backed by the civil service, Bank of England, universities, the IMF, EU, BBC, etc etc but it never came up with a positive message for being in the EU. Even now everything is about how terrible it will be out of the EU and scaring other states out of thinking of leaving. There's no positive message of the benefits of being in the EU. There are benefits to being in the EU but there are also benefits to leaving. There will be billions annually that Britain does not spend on the EU. You may think that the billions were worth it but to refuse to acknowledge that people may think that's a positive is ridiculous. If you hold people that voted leave in contempt and assume that they're racist, stupid etc then you are part of the reason that we're leaving. If you think that a second vote would result in different result when there's been nothing positive offered and you've spent the last 18 months insulting leave voters you are utterly deluded.

Excellent post and sums up my own thoughts.

KenDodd as it stands, part of the Spanish citizenship process is renouncing other nationalities except in the case of some countries in Latin America/Philippines.

NRWT I'm just living my life.

Long day in meeting, clearly you had an easier day at the bar LoveinTokyo as you've been so active on here all day again. So your post below, let me be enlightened by your searing intelligence of an EU law brain. You have the right to have your qualifications recognised depending on the country you qualified in. Is the UK one of those to qualify as a French legal beagle? Let's stop prancing about the subject. Did you apply and did they accept?

"Sorry if I didn’t make it clear enough theft, but “applying for recognition” is not enough.

Your right to have your qualifications recognised is - in some countries - dependent on your being an EU citizen.

I could apply to be admitted to the Irish bar tomorrow and for the princely sum of €300 I could become an Irish lawyer even though I’ve never set foot in Ireland. But that will be worth precisely jack shit after Brexit if I want to work in a country where they will only recognise your qualifications if you are an EU citizen, which is the case in some countries.

You do not know what you are talking about."

The remain campaign had everything going for it, it was backed by the civil service, Bank of England, universities, the IMF, EU, BBC, etc etc but it never came up with a positive message for being in the EU. Even now everything is about how terrible it will be out of the EU and scaring other states out of thinking of leaving. There's no positive message of the benefits of being in the EU. There are benefits to being in the EU but there are also benefits to leaving. There will be billions annually that Britain does not spend on the EU. You may think that the billions were worth it but to refuse to acknowledge that people may think that's a positive is ridiculous. If you hold people that voted leave in contempt and assume that they're racist, stupid etc then you are part of the reason that we're leaving. If you think that a second vote would result in different result when there's been nothing positive offered and you've spent the last 18 months insulting leave voters you are utterly deluded.

Abso bloody lutely! It did seem to be how hideous it would be out of the EU, but no actual bigging up what was actually good about being in it.
The result would no doubt be the same if those still sore at losing got their own way and another referendum.
It's not best out of three, keep voting until you get the "right" answer.

TatianaLarina in your dreams. "The difference between the dignity, clarity and intelligence of the EU officials compared to incompetence, weakness and belligerence of the British government is stark. Surely the most inept in living memory." Back it up why don't you? I see a member of the European Parliament calling those who vote leave shysters and Charlatans and useful idiots and that is not dignified in anyone's book.

Golondrina, though social care isn't great in the UK, there is literally no state help in Spain at all. Culturally it is expected the elderly will be taken care of by extended family. The only options for my very disabled DF were pay for vv expensive private nursing home with no state help and no English spoken or my DM be left as sole carer with no state home help. In UK he qualified for fully funded nursing home place.

I do hope what you say about UK passport is true, will look into that. For the moment have advised DM not to apply for Spanish citizenship.

I agree the Remain campaign was poor, but what if e.g. they had made a big issue of say the ability to fly around the world - currently now a potential issue? What would the answer have been? It would have been, "that won't happen, they are as dependent on our flights as we are." The detail of "yes but this will mean negotiating xxx new international treaties to maintain the status quo" would have been a detail too far.

Exactly, Peregrina. Can you imagine what the leavers would have said if the remain campaign had talked about flights potentially being grounded? Actually, we don’t have to imagine - they would have said “Project Fear” (their stock answer to everything).

I also love this idea that the remain campaign naturally should have won because it had the government and the banks on its side.

Err, hello, most people hate the government and the banks.

I’ve spoken to many leavers who, when you talk about the effect of Brexit on the financial services industry, seem to relish the idea of all the wanker bankers losing their jobs.

theft, let me be the one to enlighten you.

This applies not just to recognition of qualifications but to applying for a carte de sejour, access to health insurance and all kinds of things.

There is currently a process that you follow if you are an EU citizen and process that you follow if you are not an EU citizen. I can currently do everything you’re supposed to do if you’re an EU citizen, but there’s no guarantee that any of it will still be considered valid after Brexit. I cannot currently do anything you’re supposed to do if you’re a non EU citizen, because I am currently an EU citizen and the computer says no.

So I am currently stuck in a Kafka-esque kind of purgatory and dependent on our appallingly incompetent government to negotiate something sensible on my behalf.

So the answer is, no one knows. No one knows whether my qualifications will be recognised after Brexit. (I am applying to be admitted to the Irish bar just in case.) I can’t get a straight answer from anyone. When I call up the people who should know, they are stumped and say “wait and see”.

We don’t know whether planes will be able to take off and land. We don’t know whether a British person who is involved in a car crash in France the day before Brexit will still be entitled to treatment on their EHIC after midnight. We don’t know whether a British person who lives in France and works in Germany will be entitled to continue doing so. We don’t know whether the British people who have been working in European agencies and institutions are all going to lose their jobs. We don’t know whether there will have to be a hard border in Ireland. We don’t know how many businesses will pull out of the UK if it looks like no deal will be done.

There are many things we don’t know.

So you can be flippant and dismissive of people’s worries all you like. But refusing to recognise that people have very valid reasons to be afraid of Brexit and that many of them are completely powerless and must simply sit and wait to see what their fate will be makes you look very callous indeed.

There are many things we don’t know.

And do we see the Govt making a list - we need to tackle, a,b,c,... deadline is.... d,e,f, deadline is...... ? No. We see a lot of posturing and when May does agree a sensible compromise on something which moves the talks forward, the right wing or Davis, immediately jump in and contradict it. Hence a fudged agreement that the NI border would be tackled, Davis immediately denouncing the agreement, so the rest of the EU insisting that it's the priority.

Would apply for citizenship of an EU country if I could.
Apparently Malta is making a killing in selling passports, €650,000 price tag, though.

I'll be job hunting starting next January. Otherwise, I can't make plans, there are too many unpredictable parameters.

I see a member of the European Parliament calling those who vote leave shysters and Charlatans and useful idiots and that is not dignified in anyone's book.

Nope, he was calling out the fact that in the first hour of a debate on future EU-UK relations the only speakers for the UK were UKIP Brexiteers giving out their usual rhetoric (hence charlatans and shysters and useful idiots) and then when a representative of the UK government does get up to talk, it is of no substance whatsoever.

Try watching the entire session rather than relying on The Express, which conveniently misses out Alyn Smith earlier pointing out the lie on the side of a big red bus being used to mislead voters.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09xb86g/european-parliament-13032018

Unless of course you think that the average UK leave voter regularly speaks at the EP?

KenDodd as it stands, part of the Spanish citizenship process is renouncing other nationalities

The process may not have caught up with the law, the case was quite recent. The German definitely won and was able to keep both German and Spanish citizenship becuase they are both EU countries. I'll see if I can find a link when I get home from work. As I said though, we won't benefit from this when not in the EU.

Well having waited patiently with my little business that bills about 90% to EU countries on the basis that... there are lots of people like you I'm now no closer to finding an answer to "hold on am I going to suddenly be hit charging witholding tax on services to all these clients either upping my price x% or taking a x% knock come next march" (which is what happens when i bill some other countries). So now really am.starting to panic about either setting up in another eu country while I still can as an eu citizen or even moving.. . Which will be a gamble because what will the output be. But then staying here doing nothing is a gamble. Arse.