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Future MIL advice needed! AIBU?? Please help!

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miyajima2018 · 12/03/2018 15:57

Please excuse the long post but to explain the situation…
I’m not a Mum yet but have found Mumset a source of incredibly supportive advice in the past so hope it’s okay to ask again! I am looking for advice about my relationship with my future MIL.

My fiancé (DP) and I have been together for 3 years (living together for 2) and are getting married at the end of this year. He’s 27 and his Mum (MIL) is 52 with 6 children - DP being the eldest down to a 11 yo. Apart from DP all her children still live at home and the three eldest (18, 22 & 25) never left home to go to university. MIL was sadly divorced a few years ago having spent her whole life as a SAHM raising the kids. Her whole life is her kids and she doesn’t do anything other than look after them. She has raised them in quite a sheltered way, rarely going out or leaving the small rural town they live in, and they never watch the news or have any outside influences such as friends coming round. One of the eldest children has what I would describe as agoraphobia and rarely leaves the house or even gets dressed or leaves her bedroom. My DP somehow turned out very different from the rest of his siblings and from a young age was quite ambitious and independent. He left home to go to university a few hours away and completed postgraduate training before getting a job in London (a few hours away from MIL) which is where we met. He loves his Mum very much but enjoys what I would consider to be a healthy “normal” independent life of his own. He speaks to her from time to time and they text a lot during the week, but we/he only visits her at her home every few months.

The situation is that over recent months MIL has become increasingly clingy and emotional with my fiancé. She has been upset and says he has forgotten her and constantly asks when he is coming home. Examples of her behavior are as follows: Whilst DP was at Uni she got into the habit of giving him a wake up call every morning (yes this is a habit DP regrets encouraging), and she has been asking why he doesn’t want her to keep doing this now to help him get to work in the mornings! She said it must be because she doesn’t need her anymore now he has me.

MIL got really upset and cried when he told her that our wedding will not be in a church (we are not religious) even though MIL never even went to church herself apart from on Xmas day. She also cried when she found out that my parents are paying for our wedding, and has also been upset about various small non-traditional choices we’ve made about the day. I have felt quite stressed about the wedding because of MIL’s feelings and would have loved to just elope, but my DP says she spent their whole childhood telling the kids that one of the worst things they could ever do would be to get married without telling her.

Last Spring she announced that she had booked and paid for three nights in a local hotel so that we could stay local to her for Christmas, even though DP and I had not yet discussed what we were doing for Christmas. It never occurred to her that we might need to visit my family too or split our time. I feel like she thinks we will forever be going back to her house every Christmas and doesn’t seem to think that anything will ever change. On Mothers’ Day she suggested that DP and I might like to visit our own parents separately as we did that one year (but this was when we were first dating and we hadn’t introduced each other to our parents yet)! I think it is normal for couples who are going to be married to attend family gatherings together and not go back to their own family homes separately. AIBU??

We are buying a flat and she has been advising DP to move to various posh areas which are super expensive and we can’t afford, because she is worried about the safety of the area. When we invited her to our flat we went for a walk down the canal in Maida Vale (which is a lovely area) and she texted him afterwards to say we must never walk down the canal as it’s too dangerous!

My DP has always wanted a tattoo and last year we both got one together (very subtle and small). MIL was upset and cried when he told her, and said that she knew it would have been my idea (even though it was in fact DP’s!) It’s as if she still views him as a small boy rather than a grown man!
MIL also hates swearing which is obviously her choice, but she can’t accept that DP and I may swear at our home with each other (not excessively I might add, just what I would consider pretty average and we never swear in front of her or the siblings) and she has got upset about this.
The teenage children often ask when my fiancé is going to move back home, as if his life in London and with me is only temporary.

She has been a loving Mum and she is a sweet person so I don’t want to paint her out as a monster. I also believe the psychological aspect of this comes from losing her own parents at a young age and wanting to create a tight family unit for herself at all costs. She is also very traditional which my fiancé and I are not and so I accept there will always be differences in lifestyle and opinions. But I can’t help but be worried about how this will all play out especially if we start a family – I don’t want to spend out whole lives feeling pressured and emotionally manipulated about our choices. The pressure is exacerbated by the fact that unusually none of DP’s siblings have moved out or even have partners, so we are setting the precedent! If there was another SIL or BIL in the equation might make me feel less alone. My DP is supportive and thinks she is being OTT but neither of us know how to handle it.

It would be great to know if anyone has any opinions.

Thank you if you have read this!! XX

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FizzyGreenWater · 14/03/2018 13:56

Re the wedding I will have a think about something we could run past her or 'seek her advice' about to help her feel a bit involved, but I am stumped so far

I think that one thing that will help is changing your perspective a bit. She isn't a fluffy old thing who is just sad that she's not involved and will feel happier if she can arrange flowers. Rather, she is extremely manipulative and controlling, and she might well know it. Being sad about the wedding and crying on the phone is manipulation - what she wants is control over and access to her son and his life. She must know at some level that that isn't normal - she's brought up several children, seen their peers, been involved with school etc. She knows that her children are, in eneral, not moving on with their lives as normal adults... and she is pleased about that.

Don't underestimate her. You might have to let her know, even if indirectly, that 'you have her number' in some way if this is to even slightly resolve. Or even, eventually, cut contact (this will come to a head when you have a baby of your own).

PhilippaFawcett · 14/03/2018 13:59

She sounds like my mother in law who was a nightmare until the day she died. Live far away. Never give her keys to your house.

miyajima2018 · 14/03/2018 15:15

Never give her keys to your house OMG no way! I am NEVER allowing that to happen!

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SherbertLemon2011 · 14/03/2018 16:06

I have a controlling mil. I would recommend changing things every so often so that they don't become 'tradition'. What you are doing with your honeymoon is perfect!!! We had to do this with Sunday lunch. The expectation was we would spend all day every Sunday with them. Slowly once we had dc we were able to not make it every so often because of visitors etc and then reduce the expectation that we would always be there.

minipie · 14/03/2018 16:32

Wow. Haven't read the full thread but my reaction to the OP was "emigrate". Then I saw the first response...

I remember reading about a similar mother in a book once and it was described as "the tyranny of tears" - far more subtle and effective than simply telling your DH what to do, she's guilt tripping him instead.

Thank goodness your DH doesn't buy it.

665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 14/03/2018 16:55

Maybe for the wedding you could get her to be in charge of nobody except the bride wearing white/ off-white/ cream ?
Otherwise I sense a MIL in a long white lace dress in your near future Wink

branstonbaby · 14/03/2018 17:33

I have a very passive but controlling MIL. She likes to play the victim, tell everyone what a hard life she has had etc etc etc.

DH did used to stand up to her in the beginning and I used to smile (through gritted teeth) but when the kids came along she criticized me openly and started saying things to DH behind my back, like I made her feel very unwelcome etc. (Not true, I bust a gut when she is coming to make everything nice but I do now, after 16 years, refuse to put up with any bullshit in anyway, so I know she tries to manage me via DH who is lovely, caring and just wants everyone to get along).

The state of play is now that as soon as I even mention my in laws, my DH starts to tense up and I am made to feel as if I can't say anything slightly negative about them, even in jest.

My motto was always, 'I'll be the mother in law one day so best to be kind', and I know I would be heartbroken if my kids kept me at arms distance when they are older. My parents were never clingy and I was always very independent so hope to have the same dynamics with my kids.

I don't know, it's a hard one. When it comes to disagreements, it's easier for her to blame me, and believe her son would never go against her. (I came to terms with this years ago). Eloping also isn't the answer, we eloped 12 years ago which means rather than the odd Sunday lunch and cup of tea, she comes to stay with us. It's rather intense when she comes.

I still maintain, be kind. She is his mum. But be firm.

Good luck.

GreenTulips · 14/03/2018 18:14

In reguards to wedding plans - just ask her about HER - have you got a dress yet? What colour flowers do you want? Etc ..... nothing more unless it's 'just turn up and have a good day....we don't want you to worry about anything'

What are you doing with the hotel booking ?

mustbetimeforacreamtea · 14/03/2018 18:23

You could always give her details of a different flat and see what she does with them. You can always tell her at a later date that the purchase fell through.

miyajima2018 · 14/03/2018 18:32

GreenTulips She hasn't mentioned any hotel bookings for next Xmas yet. (It was last year she made the booking so I imagine she's thinking about this year already). I am imagining we will drop the honeymoon bombshell before she gets the chance. I want to book honeymoon before we tell her though as I am worried DP will start to feel sorry for her and suggest we stay for Xmas and go on honeymoon after. I'm not sure why I am worried about her influencing DP, as he has always been totally on our side and thinks she is acting nuts, but I suppose I worry she will wear him down eventually and end up getting her way.

mustbetimeforacreamtea hilarious idea lol! But a bit too dishonest I think. Secrecy and the occasional white lie seems easier to manage...

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PsychedelicSheep · 14/03/2018 18:59

(women) people like this (enmeshment schema/dependant personality disorder traits) do not tend to do well in therapy.

There just isn’t the motivation to change. Frustrated and desperate family members want them to come but they just don’t get it.

PsychedelicSheep · 14/03/2018 19:01

Dependant PD is my least favourite client group to work with by a country mile tbh

GreenTulips · 14/03/2018 19:07

OP - I really think that DH and MIL aren't really the issue, because you've never dealt with anyone like this you naturally aim to treat her 'normally' she will find fault and you want to smooth things over - she catches you out because you 'forget' who you're speaking too!

So I think you need to worry less about what she thinks or says and intimately look at reducing you're own reaction and live the way you want to live - you don't need her approval because you won't get it what ever you do

Love51 · 14/03/2018 19:54

You and dp need to decide what is for public consumption and what isn't, and remember to that his siblings talk to their mother. So if you decide that eg who is paying how much of the house deposit is not something you want her to know, you don't tell anyone else either (not that anyone cares, but they might tell her!)
Equally work on training yourself not to care what she thinks - better get in the habit for when you are in trouble for breast feeding / bottle feeding / baby led weaning / puree weaning / letting your kid eat mud.

miyajima2018 · 14/03/2018 20:37

Yes, agreed GreenTulips and Love51. Thank you, I definitely think I need to learn how to care less about what she thinks. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I have my own mother issues due to shame / disapproval etc, so I know where it comes from within me. I have therapy about all of that so I think I am going to raise this and use my next session to help manage my thinking.

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