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Future MIL advice needed! AIBU?? Please help!

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miyajima2018 · 12/03/2018 15:57

Please excuse the long post but to explain the situation…
I’m not a Mum yet but have found Mumset a source of incredibly supportive advice in the past so hope it’s okay to ask again! I am looking for advice about my relationship with my future MIL.

My fiancé (DP) and I have been together for 3 years (living together for 2) and are getting married at the end of this year. He’s 27 and his Mum (MIL) is 52 with 6 children - DP being the eldest down to a 11 yo. Apart from DP all her children still live at home and the three eldest (18, 22 & 25) never left home to go to university. MIL was sadly divorced a few years ago having spent her whole life as a SAHM raising the kids. Her whole life is her kids and she doesn’t do anything other than look after them. She has raised them in quite a sheltered way, rarely going out or leaving the small rural town they live in, and they never watch the news or have any outside influences such as friends coming round. One of the eldest children has what I would describe as agoraphobia and rarely leaves the house or even gets dressed or leaves her bedroom. My DP somehow turned out very different from the rest of his siblings and from a young age was quite ambitious and independent. He left home to go to university a few hours away and completed postgraduate training before getting a job in London (a few hours away from MIL) which is where we met. He loves his Mum very much but enjoys what I would consider to be a healthy “normal” independent life of his own. He speaks to her from time to time and they text a lot during the week, but we/he only visits her at her home every few months.

The situation is that over recent months MIL has become increasingly clingy and emotional with my fiancé. She has been upset and says he has forgotten her and constantly asks when he is coming home. Examples of her behavior are as follows: Whilst DP was at Uni she got into the habit of giving him a wake up call every morning (yes this is a habit DP regrets encouraging), and she has been asking why he doesn’t want her to keep doing this now to help him get to work in the mornings! She said it must be because she doesn’t need her anymore now he has me.

MIL got really upset and cried when he told her that our wedding will not be in a church (we are not religious) even though MIL never even went to church herself apart from on Xmas day. She also cried when she found out that my parents are paying for our wedding, and has also been upset about various small non-traditional choices we’ve made about the day. I have felt quite stressed about the wedding because of MIL’s feelings and would have loved to just elope, but my DP says she spent their whole childhood telling the kids that one of the worst things they could ever do would be to get married without telling her.

Last Spring she announced that she had booked and paid for three nights in a local hotel so that we could stay local to her for Christmas, even though DP and I had not yet discussed what we were doing for Christmas. It never occurred to her that we might need to visit my family too or split our time. I feel like she thinks we will forever be going back to her house every Christmas and doesn’t seem to think that anything will ever change. On Mothers’ Day she suggested that DP and I might like to visit our own parents separately as we did that one year (but this was when we were first dating and we hadn’t introduced each other to our parents yet)! I think it is normal for couples who are going to be married to attend family gatherings together and not go back to their own family homes separately. AIBU??

We are buying a flat and she has been advising DP to move to various posh areas which are super expensive and we can’t afford, because she is worried about the safety of the area. When we invited her to our flat we went for a walk down the canal in Maida Vale (which is a lovely area) and she texted him afterwards to say we must never walk down the canal as it’s too dangerous!

My DP has always wanted a tattoo and last year we both got one together (very subtle and small). MIL was upset and cried when he told her, and said that she knew it would have been my idea (even though it was in fact DP’s!) It’s as if she still views him as a small boy rather than a grown man!
MIL also hates swearing which is obviously her choice, but she can’t accept that DP and I may swear at our home with each other (not excessively I might add, just what I would consider pretty average and we never swear in front of her or the siblings) and she has got upset about this.
The teenage children often ask when my fiancé is going to move back home, as if his life in London and with me is only temporary.

She has been a loving Mum and she is a sweet person so I don’t want to paint her out as a monster. I also believe the psychological aspect of this comes from losing her own parents at a young age and wanting to create a tight family unit for herself at all costs. She is also very traditional which my fiancé and I are not and so I accept there will always be differences in lifestyle and opinions. But I can’t help but be worried about how this will all play out especially if we start a family – I don’t want to spend out whole lives feeling pressured and emotionally manipulated about our choices. The pressure is exacerbated by the fact that unusually none of DP’s siblings have moved out or even have partners, so we are setting the precedent! If there was another SIL or BIL in the equation might make me feel less alone. My DP is supportive and thinks she is being OTT but neither of us know how to handle it.

It would be great to know if anyone has any opinions.

Thank you if you have read this!! XX

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pawpatrolearworm · 12/03/2018 17:06

I think its clear she has some serious issues, so would encourage posters to not pile in with the usual "she's unhinged/a crazy bitch/ a fucking loon" etc which usually follow.

OP you can't control other peoples behavior, or change them. You can control yours, and your reactions to them. Work on your own boundaries, discuss them with your partner, present a united front and be kind, to yourselves and to her. This does not have to turn into a terrible thing, you do not have to cut her off as some here would advise.
Work out what you as a couple and as individuals need, and try actually talking to her properly, telling her how you feel. Some mutual respect and clear boundaries and you may find yourself with a good and healthy relationship with them.

(and don't listen to people on aibu!)

brighthouse · 12/03/2018 17:10

She is being really controlling. Your DP has to nip things in the bud and have clear conversation about healthy boundaries. she will not be happy but that is her problem. If you don't do it now it will become out of control and could start to affect your relationship with your DP.

brighthouse · 12/03/2018 17:14

Totally agree what Pawpatrol said. She articulated better than me.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/03/2018 17:17

She reminds me a bit of my half sister. She has hung on to most of her DC (sometimes to their detriment). It is clearly a MH issue for my DSis (she has diagnosed MH problems). She feels most secure when she has her DC around her. DSis has a heart of gold and is a lovely generous person but she can't see that restricting her DCs independence has not been in their best interests.

My advice is to set your own agenda. Tell her in July what you are going to be doing for Christmas (or not doing) and if she books a hotel despite what you have said then gently explain it is not possible to change your plans.

falsepriest · 12/03/2018 17:18

She's fucking unhinged. Elope.

pawpatrolearworm · 12/03/2018 17:20

See what I mean? Is there any need for that?

LadyFlumpalot · 12/03/2018 17:28

I would go against the "live far FAR away" advice. You want to live 2 hours away. Any closer and they pop in all the fucking time. Any further away and they turn visits into overnighters....

HazelBite · 12/03/2018 17:31

Who are these women who want to hold on to their sons?
Me and Dh can't get rid of ours at the moment we have our fingers crossed and are sending up prayers that the purchase of Ds2's flat goes through okay, but there are still 2 Ds's who seem reluctant to go!
I love my Ds's very much but I want to see them make their way in the world and not hanging round me!

SunshineAfterRain · 12/03/2018 17:32

You could have literally been writing about my dps m.
After 4 1/2 years together. 1 dc. 1 stepdc. My dp has had to stop contact with her.
He never stood up to her at the start and that was the problem.
She then push her way with everything.
The last straw was when she attacked me in front of dc.
Set boundaries and do not let her take the lead or she will keep pushing.
If she phones upset. A simple "I am sorry you feel like that. I will give you time to call down" and put the phone down.
It is emotional abuse plain and simple

ushuaiamonamour · 12/03/2018 17:33

I've only sympathy to offer you, not constructive advice. I did want to say though that your DP sounds remarkable--I can't imagine how he escaped so suffocating a situation and is, I gather, so well-adjusted. Perhaps he has an iron will. Or was a changling. Very good luck to you both; I hope it will be sooner rather than later (or never) that she accepts that ye've existence independent of her.

Cornishclio · 12/03/2018 17:43

Set a precedent from the start. We did alternate years for Christmas with parents until we had kids and then we stayed home and invited people to us as we lived a long way away from parents. My DD and son in law did that too when they got together but we all live in the same town and they have kids so we now go to them as easier that way. Still it is one year with us and one year with my Son in laws parents.

Mothers day can be whatever you decide. If she gets upset then there is not much you can do about that and bowing to her will with her emotional manipulating would be a mistake. She will have to get used to it. When you have kids again setting precedents is important with an emotional manipulator which she sounds like. It is not unkind to be firm and make her realise your life does not revolve around her. Your DH will be the one who has to enforce all this but as long as he makes time for her when it is mutually convenient I don't think that is unreasonable. Sharing your life with a partner does mean compromises both on your part and the families too as you now have two families to think about it plus your own if you have children.

PositivelyPERF · 12/03/2018 17:45

For goodness sake, don’t let her know when you go into labour or she’ll be in the labour room with you or creating a scene outside. I wouldn’t tell her the baby is born for a few hours, to give you and your husband some time with her/him.

miyajima2018 · 12/03/2018 17:52

Thank you everyone!

Another thing we haven't told her is that our wedding date is going to be the week before Christmas and so we will be off on our honeymoon over Christmas and NY. The first Christmas she'll have had without her DS. I am obviously looking forward to it :-) and thinking it sets a tone! But we realised she may well get upset when she finds out. However I am tempted to use my parents as an example as they are elderly and have only one other single child for company over Xmas but they were pleased for us about the honeymoon and have not begrudged us this (even though they're by no means perfect).

Graphista to be fair to my DP he has dealt with her waterworks kindly but firmly and is 100% supportive of me in each and every situation. I just mean that although he doesn't like her being upset he does not let it sway him in any of his decision making whereas I'm the one whose more likely to give in to keep her happy or to feel worried about how she's going to react to things.

I think it sounds like a good plan for us to sit down and to agree a firm plan of action.

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schoolproblem12341 · 12/03/2018 17:57

I have never said anything like this to anyone and mean it in the most constructive way possible but make sure you really really love him because this will be a long hard road. I literally could have written this and my dh too in the beginning was completely on side but as the years have gone on and all his siblings have also left home and she is all on her own it has gotten worse in that he now "feels bad". He "feels bad" she's on her own every night, he "feels bad" she also has no parents, he "feels bad" she wakes up on special days on her own i.e. Xmas and her birthday, it's endless. We're now in this strange place where he thinks everything is justifiable because of these things and I have found myself apologising more and more to him about "my selfish thoughts" when I'm not really sorry for an easy life and because fortunately for me I don't really know how he must feel as my parents are very happily married and have each other to lean on. She displays completely unhealthy behaviour constantly, making us message her when we get home so she knows we're home safely, trying to tie me down to the next Sunday we're coming over for lunch whilst we're walking out her front door having been there for the last 5 hours, calling dh and wishing him good luck for little appointments at 7:30am, after every single phone conversation ending it with call me later if you can. Nothing is ever enough and what makes it worse is my dh is blinded by his guilt of feeling responsible for her happiness which he has been emotionally manipulated into feeling. I have no advice apart from tread very carefully and make sure he knows what you are and aren't happy with so you both know whether you can live like this oh and she too is nothing but lovely to my face and says nothing bad about me directly

IAmWonkoTheSane · 12/03/2018 18:02

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Crunched · 12/03/2018 18:02

Despite her somewhat unhinged behaviour, I do understand her feeling excluded from the wedding plans.Mothers of sons are often overlooked in plans.
Could you not find a role for the other siblings even if it is a bit of a contrived one? This will help them see that leaving their Mother does not necessarily mean your DP is divorced from the rest of them - it sounds like they may need an advocate out in the world if they ever want independence.
She is clearly insecure and values her worth in the security blanket of her kids. I suggest you and your partner are constantly quoting things along the lines of good parenting is "giving them roots and giving them wings" and saying how you admire the way she gave your partner the confidence to fly the nest.
She is maybe to far gone to really hear what you are saying but may be worth giving it a go?

miyajima2018 · 12/03/2018 18:13

Thanks schoolproblem12341. I appreciate your honesty and I am definately writing this post because I am thinking ahead to the future and foreseeing that it could get much worse without steps now.

As regards my DP he is an incredible person and I love him with all my heart. Our relationship is strong and I will be able to sit down with him and share all my fears about MIL with no judgement.

So I do feel fully supported by him - it's just how we go forward and manage her behaviour / manage our boundaries towards her.

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miyajima2018 · 12/03/2018 18:15

Thanks Crunched - yes I was planning to ask the younger DCs to have a 'role' at our wedding (not sure what but as you say something to feel part of it). I was also thinking of something I could offer to MIL (as in a small wedding decision to help with) but don't know of that's pandering to her.

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FizzyGreenWater · 12/03/2018 18:25

One thing I would do OP is show him schoolproblem's post and see what he thinks of it.

This isn't just about now, but the future.

She does sound quite disturbing - abusive, actually, to her children. They are not being allowed to grow up, to live. Horrible.

FizzyGreenWater · 12/03/2018 18:26

Sorry show your DP I mean, if that wasn't clear.

schoolproblem12341 · 12/03/2018 18:27

That's ok miyajima2018 I wish someone would have prewarned me how it can change. Where my situation has gotten worse is that my husband can see it but feels bad for her and uses that to justify her and has a very clever way of convincing me I'm wrong and can always use the line, if it was your mum, although I'm certain that my mum would never manipulate me emotionally but admittedly it must be hard when your mum is telling you how alone she feels etc. It's genuinely the only thing we argue about and I try not to think about it as tbh it makes me so unhappy when I do, the constant hints to stay for a sleepover is the worst one though as I genuinely can not get rid of her the next day no matter how many hints I drop. Luckily for me both her DDs husbands work weekends so they are for most part taken up seeing them and I hope that never changes otherwise I could just imagine what would happen and be expected of us.

miyajima2018 · 12/03/2018 20:28

Also, to the person who suggested we get her to go to Relate - although I really think she needs therapy I can't see how that could happen! Can't see how she would ever see that she would benefit from therapy. Myself and my DF have both had therapy (me long term for childhood trauma and him a course of a few sessions for a specific issue he wanted to manage). MIL said to DP that this was unnecessary as there is "nothing wrong with him". Totally missed the point of his sessions which were not because he was "sick" but about understanding and developing himself. She kept on at him each time they spoke asking if he was still going and saying it was a waste of money and that the money would be better off paying for our new house. She also asks a lot of questions about money generally and who has paid for what / how much etc in our partnership and I don't know if it is normal to disclose all of this to her?

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checkingforballoons · 12/03/2018 20:56

I'm with everyone else - set your boundaries together and stick to them.
BUT one thing that stood out from your post is that she seems desperately lonely and scared of being shut out. Is there anything wedding related that you're not fussed on that you could ask her to help with or take charge of? Or something you could ask her to help you with regarding your new home? Could you take her out for lunch, just the two of you, and ask her opinion on a few things, tell her how excited you are about becoming a part of her family? Whatever you think might make her feel more included.
She's going to be a part of your life for a very long time, maybe a tiny bit of indulging her might pay off in the long run? Not that she isn't being OTT. But if she's not going to change, perhaps work with what you've got!

Gide · 12/03/2018 20:57

Up to you if you want to disclose financial info to her. Personally, I don’t, it’s no-one’s business but mine and dh’s. I certainly wouldn’t tell her anything about the wedding or anything else. It will only make her anxious. Give her enough info to keep her quiet, but you need some much stronger boundaries, IMO.

Good job on the honeymoon timing, my lot accepted it when I told them there was no way I was travelling 5 hours and leaving my dh alone after his night shift or whatever. Getting animals is also a useful excuse!

littleshoutymouse · 12/03/2018 23:16

This was my MIL in mine and DH’s early days. I don’t think she understood me, and DH was still her baby in her eyes. I think I was part and parcel of her baby growing up and leaving her and she didn’t like it. It’s been 11 years, and we have finally - through awkward discussions and boundary setting - reached an understanding. MIL seems to see us as adults now and things are good. We are friends now, I never thought it possible.

Eventually things will get better if you are consistent and polite and firm! Took me 11 years though Confused