But when is International Men's Day? What about equality?

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Well, since you asked..... it's 19th November!

Richard Herring, twitter.com/Herring1967 is currently providing a sterling public service in letting everyone - particularly anyone feeling a bit 'what-about-the-menz' today - know that there is an International Men's Day too.

In doing so, he's also raising money for Refuge www.justgiving.com/fundraising/November19th?utm_source=twitter

AIBU to encourage you, if you would like to and feel like celebrating International Women's Day by donating to a charity which provides important services for women and children, to donate too?

So we can't talk about women until ALL men stop dying? Jog on.

Comparison to DV murders are not accurate, since as harsh as it is to say, DV victims aren't dying to provide others with critical infrustructure and services.

I think what you meant to write was 'DV murders are inconvenient to my narrative pushing men as the victims'.

DV murder victims have often been providing children with a mother. But that's not a critical service is it?

but maybe if women where able to do jobs like mining they would die to - I'm sure that would make you happy - sadly lack of equality prevents such a dream

but as an active trades unionist for the past 34 years I do try and support works the work over and continue to campaign for safe working practices - rather than - you know - blaming women for everything - I think my way is more effective

End of the day men are typically judged romantically by their ability to provide security. In todays modern society that security is more often financial than physical.

This creates a pressure on men to earn good money. For working class men that good money often found in dangerous trade work (inherently dangerous, don't try and dispute I'm a NEBOSH qualified health and safety advisor).

Yeah. The dominant of a male breadwinner and protector / female dependent and supplicant model is one of the things feminism is working to end.

You know, the stuff we go on about in our bourgeois ivory towers. Equal pay, ending the idea of boys’ jobs/girls’ jobs, getting more women into engineering trades and careers, equal opportunities in the military, etc etc.

I think you’re a feminist, mate.

Comparison to DV murders are not accurate, since as harsh as it is to say, DV victims aren't dying to provide others with critical infrustructure and services.

No. They’re dying because men are killing them.

Are women - only women - the cause of workplace safety failures? What’s the majority sex of the managers and CEO’s who failed to ensure appropriate safety controls?

By the by, looked at the maternal mortality rates recently?

I am confused about why being a feminist and supporting women means you can’t also support men blue collar or otherwise, when appropriate?

I live in a community affected directly by North Sea oil disasters. I’m quite sickened to see that used as some sort of excuse to bash women.

oh now it's not like giving birth is essential to the survival of the human race ...oh hang on

rale124 I agree with you that class remains an entrenched separation in society, and that in this country we are failing to have the public and political discussion in the mainstream that there should be, and failing to act to address the very fundamental effects of this on people's lives.

(I'm not sure that many of the people on twitter saying 'what about international men's day' are thinking about that, though.)

There are also some very real and hard inequalities which still exist for women. It's difficult to dig through the domestic violence statistics, but - for example - women in low income households are more likely to suffer from abuse than those in higher income households. So these factors are not neccesarily separate.

It is International Women's Day, and so just for today I'm happy to be prompted by something - however silly - to remind me that I would like Refuge to be available for those who do need it, and to support it.

Rale124 is it only men providing critical services and infrastructure? I don't think so.

As to whether the death of a blue collar person is more worthwhile than a Dr victim, well, that's a pretty shitty argument. It's a shame because I do agree that blue collars have it worse than white collars for instance, it's not the fault of women. So I'm not sure why you choose this day to rale against women. Then again the clue is in your username.

This is a very cool think Richard Herring is doing...but I do worry about the gift aid...I mean if he hits his target he will have defunded the NHS to the tune of 2500 quid.

Well maybe that doesn't really matter on the scale they operate on.

Surely Everyone knows it's in Nov?

the tweets are hilarious and thanks to this thread when my brother snarkily asked when Mens Day was I was able to say "November 19th, why don't you know that since you're a man?"

£82,000 now.
Bloody brilliant

rale why does it have to be one at the detriment of the other? Surely there are inequalities of all types across society? You may well have a point about the kind of work that is typically the domain of men (dangerous, physically challenging work - which isn't to say women ever do these jobs, but I agree they do tend to be more male-dominated) but does that mean we can't talk about other inequalities?

It's not a race to the bottom, we should be supportive of trying to combat all inequality. It's like saying 'yeah, women have it bad in this country but there are starving people in Africa, get a grip'. Both happen, both need highlighting but you seem to be implying that because one person perceives one to be worse than the other, that we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it.

And at the end of the day, it's IWD, so that's the subject people are talking about. If you feel blue collar working men need greater support, by all means campaign for it! It sounds like something you feel strongly about, which is great and I'm sure you would get a lot of support, even from women. But complaining about it today detracts from your point. People have capacity to support more than one cause!

Does it every year. Nothing new.

Whose idea was it to to have InternationalWomensDay on the same day as International Insecure Mens day ghosty I really want to share that on my twitter but not sure I'm brave enough for the backlash!

My 11 yo DD said at the dinner table that it was IWD today. 13 yo DS piped up

"huh, when's International Men's Day then?" obviously thinking he was so clever, while DS1 (17) chuckled away.

"19th of November mate, feel free to celebrate then. Today is for celebrating women"

He looked suitably sheepish and said "oh I didn't know that"

It's so hard to hold back the tide of misogyny they are exposed to. He seems like he's on side until his 17yo brother is in the room and then he switches allegiance. I will keep plugging away and hope that some of it sinks in

£94,589 raised so far

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/philip-davies-luisa-omielan-intimidating-behaviour_uk_5a9e41a2e4b0479c025672f5

£100,747

Magnificent work. Absolutely brilliant!

Just looked at Richards twitter His takedown of the misogynists is fab.

I don't think that trolly boy appreciate that it will likely be a woman with the delightful task of wiping his arse when he old and infirm, for the bare minimum of a wage.

But hey, that's women's work, ergo as unimportant as all the women who are killed by partners or raped (including by those super important heroes in the military) or forced into prostitution....

He made his target before 9pm well done Rich

@Rale124 how on earth do you know my skin colour and class?