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I’ve lost haven’t I? He’s got what he wanted

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CatLadyToddlerMother · 08/03/2018 09:15

On Sunday afternoon I was attacked by my husband and he threatened to kill me.

On the advise of the police I left my home with my DD who played two foot from us when this happened.

And I haven’t been back. Because he has. And it doesn’t feel fair. The tenancy is in joint names so he can’t be evicted, and he has the legal right to live there. He won’t sign the form to have his name taken off the tenancy so I can move in.

I’m trying to get an occupancy order but a solicitor won’t act until I can prove I’m entitled to Legal Aid, which I can’t as all my benefits letters are at my flat which I’ve been advised not to go back to by the Housing Association and the Police - I don’t work as DD has a few extra needs so claims DLA and CTC which is my entitlement to LA. I’m waiting for Women’s Aid to assign me a Support Worker so I can prove it another way but they’ve told me as I’m not in immediate danger it could take up to 3 weeks. The housing association have no legal obligation to house DD and I while my name is on that tenancy, and if I sign my name off the tenancy they can place me anywhere in the county which takes me away from my mum and brother (I’m living there atm) who are my biggest support at the moment.

I feel like I’ve lost. He gets to break the law, and still wins. I can’t go out on my own because I’m so scared, I tried to get to DDs Nursery alone yesterday morning and got a quarter of the way and had to call them saying I couldn’t get any further. They were lovely and bought the Nursery car and a car seat and took us both to the Nursery but walking back alone I was shaking and it took ages to get home. My mum had to pick DD up from Nursery.

It’s so unfair. I can’t live like this for another month. My DDs got no toys or clothes, and I feel guilty using my mums bread and milk and food when she’s on a low income herself. I just want to go home.

He’s won hasn’t he? I’m up shit creek without a paddle, still liable for a flat I don’t live in and have no money or clothes.

I feel like such a crap mum, I’ve let my DD down, has I ignored the police and stayed home he wouldn’t have been allowed back and then he’d have had to have tried to get me out which with me having DD would have been hard for him to do.

And I’m so worried he’s going to petition the courts for access to our DD, I don’t like her being out of my sight atm but I know he’s her dad and I can’t stop him seeing her (I never would but I just want time to get my head together and have a home)

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0ccamsRazor · 08/03/2018 10:50

catlady you are awesome, strong and very brave.

I don't really have any advise extra to what the other lovely women here have said, but I want you to know that you are a brilliant mum, a good person and I wish you much strength for the battle ahead.

You can do it, believe in yourself.

I would advise a trip to your doctor and health visitor, to ask for help, counselling, medication that may help you in the short term such as an anti anxiety or something to help if you are having problems sleeping. Look out for symptoms of ptsd.

Do you have a surestart group near you? They are good with support and help for mums and tots. My old local one (I helped out) did a mums breakfast morning where the toddles and babies were taken to the play room. I knew many mums there that had issues of dv they became friends with each other and forged strong supportive relationships. Your health visitor may be able to point you in the direction such as surestart.

Have a look to into doing the freedom programme, it will help you to feel empowered, supported and help you deal with your ex without being his victim in future, e.g. if he tries to emotionally manipulate you further. It will help you gain clarity into his abuse towards you and how you can emotionally move on.

Take care, you are doing great, it is good that you have your family around you Flowers

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0ccamsRazor · 08/03/2018 10:52

Ps Op, you may wish to get support from the relationship forum. Many that post there have been where you are at the moment.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 08/03/2018 10:59

Its not understandable at all that your housing officer doesn't want to get involved. She has a legal and moral duty of care and protection to her tennants.
If she doesn't want to get involved with things she's in the wrong job.

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FleagleBingoDrooperSnork · 08/03/2018 11:04

You haven't lost. He has. He has lost the love of a lovely woman, and you have gained your freedom, self respect and the chance to flourish and bloom as a person in your own right. Not as someone elses punch bag. You may feel broken for a while, and you will feel lost, confused and helpless because of your situation..... but grab what life will offer you with both hands now because you are free. Free from his violence and horrific attitude towards you and your daughter. It will take time, but you will feel better, and you will persevere and get through this. Others have already commented and helped with sources of help and advice, and I know that the kind souls of mumsnet will also help you with support here. Flowers

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Mylady · 08/03/2018 11:05

Ring the police ask to speak to the domestic violence unit - ask /insist on am escort

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Redhead17 · 08/03/2018 11:13

Firstly don’t ever say you are crap, you done something amazing and brave that takes some people months to do or maybe never do it, you got out of something awful and protected your DD and that makes you a fantastic mother.

Secondly legal aid is a headache I went through it a couple years ago and if it’s DV related then you get legal aid unless they’ve changed it. I had all court orders in place quite quickly within 3 weeks we were in and out of court and my solicitor continued to work whilst waiting for the legal aid outcome.

Keep on at housing and police you are entitled to your stuff and explain you need documents to progress in continuing to keep yourself and daughter safe if get ignoeebgetvthe local counselllor involved.

Stay strong, it feels like he’s won right now but believe me he will be the looser at the end of all this x

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Lovemusic33 · 08/03/2018 11:22

The police will either come with you to collect your things or will collect your things for you (your ex will be asked to box them up).

I was in a similar situation just over a year ago but I was lucky that it was only my name on the tenancy (HA house) and we were not married. I managed to stay out but didn’t want ex coming back to the house. The police came to collect his things. The police were really helpful and although there wasn’t enough evedence to charge him with the assault they helped me to get him charged with harassment and a restraining order placed on him.

You need to get letters from your gp to say you need to be housed near family as you need extra support with your dd who has additional needs. Things may feel bleak at the moment but he hasn’t won and this will be the beginning of a new life without him, things will get easier but the next few weeks will be the hardest.

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Jux · 08/03/2018 12:02

Your Housing Officer's attitude is disgraceful. It's their job to deal with things like this.

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Italiangreyhound · 08/03/2018 14:54

You are not a crap mum, you are protecting yourself and your child.

Are there any local charities for parents/children/women who may be able to help you replace the clothes etc. Are there any items in the flat that you need (like legal papers/passport etc) that cannot be replaced? Could any person collect these for you under a police escort?

Do not risk it and go back.

The law needs to take affect for a man who attacked you and tried to kill you in front of your daughter. " it’s his first offence so he was given a caution and let go." For attempted murder? What has our country come to! Please, please get some advice on how to proceed.

Record everything that happens, how this has affected you etc.

"I know he’s her dad and I can’t stop him seeing her." Please check this, he is a risk to you so might he not be a risk to her?

You may be able to insist that he only sees her under supervision, after all he is a danger to you and may well be a danger to her too.

Missingstreetlife is so right "You will win in the end." Because you are a nice normal person and your ex is a scum bag who attached you and tried to kill you. He won't win because he will alienate people and lose friends, family and ultimately his child when she realises what sort of man he is. He has already lost.

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CatLadyToddlerMother · 08/03/2018 15:22

Could cry

A friends just come round to see me and bought loads of clothes and some toys and sweets for DD. All bought from her own pocket as her child is a boy and 2 years younger than DD.

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MaureenNervosa · 08/03/2018 15:24

That’s so lovely, OP. Flowers

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PaperdollCartoon · 08/03/2018 15:51

What a kind friend. It’s just what I would do for a friend. You clearly have people around who can help and support you, let them.

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KarmaStar · 08/03/2018 16:06

The police were very wrong hete,going on what you have said,unless you refused to make a complaint,but still be committed an offence and should have been arrested regardless of your complaint.he would have,if sufficient evidence,been charged and held over for court the next day,then later released by the court with bail conditions not to go to the home address or contact you directly or indirectly.
In your position is make contact with your local police,state that you wish to make a complaint of assault and that you are unhappy with the action taken by the police i.e.none,they didn't do their jobs.
Stand your ground,explain you are homeless.
Ask them to update you when he has been detained so you can return home.
For immediate help contact your local women s aid they will go with you to collect paperwork if you really need it before the police arrest him.
To allow him to remain comfortable at home whilst you and a small child are homeless is a disgrace and the officers should be spoken to by their Sgt.
Make it clear that if charging him you want the above bail conditions.
If any injury get them photographed.
This is a hell of a lot for you to take on but stand firm and demand they do their job.
If cps decide insufficient evidence to charge you need to seek out your paperwork and get an injunction or similar.
Please ring women s aid so you don't feel so alone.You are not a bad mum at all.
But please do not soften towards him and allow him home.For your same and your dc.
Flowers

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CatLadyToddlerMother · 08/03/2018 17:02

He’s been charged with Common Assult and Making a Threat to life, but he admitted it, so the police said there would be no court case. He was given a condition caution as it was his first offence.

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bibliomania · 09/03/2018 10:16

It's good that he has been charged, OP, as it will help you if you end up in a dispute over him having contact with your dd later on.

Were you able to follow up about getting a police escort to collect your stuff from the flat?

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0ccamsRazor · 09/03/2018 10:41

A friends just come round to see me and bought loads of clothes and some toys and sweets for DD. All bought from her own pocket as her child is a boy and 2 years younger than DD.

How truly wonderful, that is so lovely of your friend. I goes to show how people think of you catlady, you have a kind friend because you are a good and heartfelt person of integrity.

How are you feeling today?

I hope that you are ok Flowers

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GoneGirl · 09/03/2018 10:54

I can't advise either but wanted to say that I think you're so very brave and setting a great example to your daughter.

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BonesyBones · 09/03/2018 11:00

I don't know if it's possible but as far as getting yours and DDs stuff goes, when my sister was removed from an abusive situation a police officer went with her to the house to collect her things. They wouldn't carry anything or take anything for her and she had to have her own key to get in but they went with her to make sure she was safe, maybe you could ask the police if that's an option?

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MissDuke · 09/03/2018 11:02

OP have you contacted the police again, as advised here? You absolutely must get yours and dds things from the flat. If the police again refuse to help then make a complaint. Would your brother be willing to go and get the stuff? Or could you watch for him leaving the house and you and your brother then go in and retrieve your stuff? The longer you leave this, the more chance there is that you will never get it back.

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CatLadyToddlerMother · 09/03/2018 14:28

H keeps texting me all chatty telling me about his day and stuff. I’ve not been back since Sunday and yet he seems to think we’re still together Hmm not sure if I should ask him for the stuff I need and get my brother to get it.

Legal Aids about to fall through as NCDV have given me 24 hours to find evidence that I can’t pay my own legal costs and I just can’t get all the evidence in such a short time period. It’s making me panic.

DD made me so proud this morning. Took her back to Nursery for the first time since the incident and she took her coat off and marched off to her keyworker and didn’t look back.

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Motoko · 09/03/2018 15:36

Ask the police to accompany you! You need that evidence!

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Backscratchesforever · 09/03/2018 16:42

24 hours to find proof is plenty of time. Show them your bank statement and your earnings.
Do you work?

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Lovemusic33 · 09/03/2018 16:55

Catlady I would message him asking him to box your things up so your brother or the police can collect. Tell him your not coming back. He’s playing games with you pretending all is ok, tell him straight that it’s over. Obviously you will have to sort out some kind of contact with him and your dd but if you feel she’s not safe to be alone with him then you can stop contact or arrange contact in a contact centre (or with a family member).

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stillvicarinatutu · 09/03/2018 17:00

ok op
ring 101 and ask for an officer to accomany you to prevent a breach of the peace - this is done all the time by the police and an incident will be created and the job allocated to an officer - they can then ring you and arrange a time to meet you at the house to get what ever you need (within reason - they cant help you with a full move but they can be there with you while you get essentials)

do that now to get your evidence for NCDV.

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HaudYerWheeshtBawbag · 09/03/2018 17:02

You need to get the police to escort you to get your belongings, they are correct you should not go to the property alone, however they will get you get any property/documentation you require

If you can’t get the document, phone your local council and HMRC and they can post the relevant documents, when you get your legal aid who can then apply for the relevant orders to be put in place.

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