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Both want children, different reasons - AIBU to decide not to now?

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NikMyshkin · 02/03/2018 13:42

For context... Been ttc for about 4 years but will need IVF. Due to the length of time and needing IVF this has led to me starting some conversations, as throughout the time DH had seemed sometimes disinterested etc.

So I asked DH if he wants to go ahead with kids / IVF still etc. Asked him to give it thought and then I asked again a couple of weeks later.

DH said he wants children BUT the only reason he could give for his view, was that it’s because it’s what everyone else does. I probed a bit more... he said ‘no one really ever wants children but it’s different once they get here’. He did not have any positive reasons at all for actually personally wanting them. He couldn’t answer whether he, personally, actually does want to raise a child. It just “what people do”.

He asked my reasons (it’s about wanting to create a new life, experience that bond, help to shape and guide another human being into their own person etc). He said he had never considered this type of thing about actually raising children.

I’ve asked him to give it some more thought. But as it currently stands I don’t want to proceed, because I don’t agree that his reason is right. He isn’t really making a genuine choice - just doing what he thinks is expected quite passively.

AIBU not to feel OK about having kids now? We both have the same answer (“yes” to wanting kids) but totally different wavelength about WHY we want them. I’m confused, am I being ridiculous or do the reasons matter as much as the ‘yes’ / ‘no’? Am I being judgemental? Whatever reasons they are valid I guess and we still came to a mutual conclusion...?

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BarbarianMum · 02/03/2018 14:40

I wanted kids, dh was happy to go along with that. If I hadn't wanted them he would have gone along with that too. I don't think he had strong feelings either way but once the children arrived he was full of love for them and is an excellent dad.

BarbarianMum · 02/03/2018 14:42

But yes, if you're not sure - about kids, about ivf, about wanting him to be the father of your children - then of course it's fine for you to put a hold on things.

TeenTimesTwo · 02/03/2018 14:43

For me it is not so much the reasons, but to what extent you have discussed what kind of parents you are both intending to me. If he only wants kids because 'it is the done thing', would he step up when the going gets tough?
However, my DH found it hard to imagine having children, I had to help him understand what it would be like both with, and without children.

WeAllHaveWings · 02/03/2018 14:44

A bit like your dh I just wanted kids and so did dh, we didn't feel the need to make each other think about it for a couple of weeks, then test, and probe for deep meaningful answers. I actually feel sorry for your dh, if must be quite demoralising when you cant gush out enough clichés to pass your exam.

You'll need to chill out a bit before your child arrives!

implantsandaDyson · 02/03/2018 14:45

I couldn't have articulated why I wanted a child apart from I just did and to be honest once we had discussed whether we both wanted a child it never occurred to me that my husband had to give a right answer. It took us years (6 very long ones) to conceive our first, we ended up with three in the end.

If I'm being honest I find the whole shaping a life reason to be quite narcissistic.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 02/03/2018 14:46

My Dh showed very little interest when I first became pregnant and was so excited about it. He was very restrained. TBH I was a bit upset. But he's always been the most lovely dad.
We had agreed together to try, but I never asked his reasons. With me it was just a gut feeling of wanting a baby.

I think a number of men don't feel too much until the baby's actually there. Not that it's PC to say this nowadays, but I think it's probably still true of some.

BoomBoomsCousin · 02/03/2018 14:46

I think there is more risk that he will be unengaged and not very proactive as a parent. And more risk that he will be unhappy with the actual outcome. I can also see that for you it could be disappointing that he doesn’t see it as quite the great adventure you do and so maybe you feel like you can’t share that aspect with him?

Have you tried talking about parenting philosophies with him? How he wants to raise your children? That might be a more concrete way to engage him in it?

YANBU for this to give you pause. But it sounds like something you should explore rather than just let it stop you dead.

Lizzie48 · 02/03/2018 14:51

I remember when my DH and I were TTC and then went through 2 IUI attempts and 1 failed IVF attempt. In the end it turned out that I couldn't produce any eggs, and had a between 1 and 5% chance of IVF bringing us a healthy baby. We only get 1 attempt on the NHS where we live so we decided not to pay privately with those odds.

My DH showed virtually no emotion at any of it, and it made me believe that he didn't care whether we had children or not. But now that we have 2 lovely adopted DDs, he couldn't be a more devoted father. I think most men are just not good at articulating their feelings when it's about a child that doesn't exist yet.

Sevendown · 02/03/2018 14:52

I’m stunned by the responses on this thread!
Do people really put this little thought into planned pregnancies?

I had an acute longing to have dcs from a young age.

I don’t expect other people to feel as deeply as I did but my hear goes out to dcs who have parents who had them just because they thought it was something you just do.

No wonder there’s so much child abuse.

arethereanyleftatall · 02/03/2018 14:53

Since no one has the faintest idea what it can possibly be like to have kids, until you've had them, what would be the point of speculating?

SpitefulMidLifeAnimal · 02/03/2018 14:53

Just had another thought - is there any chance he could be downplaying his interest in kids because of the TTC issues? Like he's saying "You don't have to do this if you don't want to, it doesn't bother me"?

Cath2907 · 02/03/2018 14:56

I didn't have any good reasons for wanting a kid. It was entirely hormonal. I just woke up one morning and NOTHING could make me happy apart from a baby. This fugue state existed until she was born (3 long years) and then evaporated overnight. I was left with a baby and no real reason why I'd wanted one!

As it turns out she is lovely. She is 7 now and without getting too mushy she is my everything. Hubby didn't really want kids at all and he now loves her to bits too.

The fugue state never returned and we have no more kids but we adore the one we have.

I sort of agree with your husband that there are no really good reasons to wreck a perfectly good life by adding a screaming ball of projectile vomit / poonami machine but plenty of people do it!

arethereanyleftatall · 02/03/2018 14:58

Don't be silly sevendown. Bit of a leap there.

Garmadonsmum · 02/03/2018 15:02

Good grief specialsubject I love my dcs but have no desire to be up at 6 in the snow with them!

SnowBusinessLikeSlowBusiness · 02/03/2018 15:02

No wonder there’s so much child abuse

Don;t be such an offensive dick. Especially when you are agreeing with many posters Hmm

VladmirsPoutine · 02/03/2018 15:02

In your ideal scenario what would he have replied?

A lot of people have children because they "just do".

Are your feelings perhaps more about his 'take it or leave it' approach? Or about facing the prospect that you might not have any?
You say you've been ttc for 4 years. So there must be more to this.

AnUtterIdiot · 02/03/2018 15:04

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callmekitten · 02/03/2018 15:04

If you both know that you want a child, I don't see why the reasons you both want a child have to be the same. You just have to reach an agreement about what you are going to do. A choice can be intensely meaningful to both partners and yet be meaningful in completely different ways. That's not a bad thing. In fact, I think it adds dimension.

I have this conversation with DH all the time about other decisions that we have to make. DH often feels that we have to be on the exact same page about every detail of a decision but that makes no sense to me.

arethereanyleftatall · 02/03/2018 15:12

I know my dh, and he knows me, before we had dc.
We know each other to be unselfish, responsible, kind, respectful etc. We had good savings and good careers.
There was no need to discuss what we might potentially do if a dc woke up at 4am. We'd do something sensible and fair.
Pointless to have some kind of hypothetical action plan.
So, no discussion in our house other than 'shall we try for a dc' 'yes'

Huskylover1 · 02/03/2018 15:13

He can't win, can he? If he listed, say FIVE huge reasons, why he wanted kids and proclaimed that he couldn't live without them, and then you didn't succeed at IVF, his comments would resound in your ears forever more....I suggest he's down playing his need/want to have children, in case you don't have them. To pile on the pressure at this point, would make him a dick.

Fengshui · 02/03/2018 15:15

TBH I had the same sort of feelings as your DH. It seemed like a remote thing, not really connected to me. DH was very keen, but if he had not been I am not sure I would have started ttc when we did.

The difference is that when the Dcs got here they were real life bundles of flesh, blood and gorgeous squishy smooshy love. I was absolutely bowled over by how fundamental, how deeply primal it is to have children. The theory did not really 'connect' with me- the reality sure as anything did. My maternal instinct is very very developed now... but it took having a child for it to kick in!

Sevendown · 02/03/2018 15:25

Research shows that child abuse it more common when a child has been unwanted.

Dont call me a ‘dick’ for stating a fact.

stevie69 · 02/03/2018 15:28

If you had asked me why I wanted children, the answer would have been 'I just do'.

Which is good enough. Likewise, when people ask me why I don't want children, the answer is "I just don't". I haven't got a deep reason; I just have a very strong suspicion that I'd hate motherhood.

callmekitten · 02/03/2018 15:28

Research shows that child abuse it more common when a child has been unwanted.

The child wouldn't be unwanted. Just wanted for a different reason.

My DH and I could never make up our minds about weather to have kids or not. I got pregnant unexpectedly. We honestly didn't quite know what to think about that at first but I will tell you that DD is greatly loved and wanted.

BarbarianMum · 02/03/2018 15:30

Ah, not just a dick but offensive with it. Good one. Hmm

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