To expect some help from my GP in losing weight?

[Chubbychubchub]

I am a fatty. Properly overweight. About 8 stone over normal weight range (about 19st, I should be 11st at most according to BMI).

Last year I had some health issues. My GP said I'd benefit from losing weight. Just eat less and move more were her words.

I have tried. However I struggle to control what I eat, and have zero willpower.

I did go to a well known slimming group previously. It made me ill, though I did get down to 13st. But it wasn't sustainable.

I asked my GP for help. I was told 'all they could do was refer me to the nurse, but she would tell me the same. That was all they could do and there was no other help available.

I have heard of people locally being referred to a dietician, or sent to slimming group for free etc. Aibu to expect something similar, or certainly some kind of help beyond trite advice?

I don't use an app, by the way. I use a page per day diary and a calculator.

You absolutely do not need to eat a banana, a cup a soup and then dinner to stay a healthy weight.

That's nowhere near enough food.

Your relationship with, and understanding of, food is waaaay out of whack, I don't really know what else to suggest to be honest.

Have a look at your contraception too, OP.

I was on the implant and gained 3-4 stone without really realising that it was the contraception causing it. I switched to a copper coil and it dropped off within a year.

I'm afraid I think YABU to expect the NHS to pay for a dietician though, I'm sorry.

Troll hunting cracker? Report me if you want. I've nothing to hide.

For the pp who said to go swimming I can't. I can't swim and have a fear of water above knee height.

I also would never cook pasta etc using a sauce. I make everything from scratch. But clearly fat equals lazy so I guess that's fair assumption.

It does sound like you're in a negative mindset OP and want someone to wave a magic wand fr you.

But I know from personal experience how hard it can be to flick that switch in your mind that says "I want to do this and I can do this". Once that happens, half the battle is won I think.

But your GP or WW leader can't do that for you sadly.

The GP is right. Eat less and move more is the only way.All the diets - WW, SW, 5:2, 15:6, LCHF - all basically work by reducing your calorie intake. No matter how much science they are wrapped in, that's the bottom line.

So, how do you think you can get that switch flicked?

And by the way I think you must have tremendous amounts of 6 stone on a diet you hated. I think that shows that you do have willpower - by the truckload! So you can forget that "I have no will power" line - it's not true. Imagine how well you could do when you find a way of eating that you do like

My crisps are those low fat ones
However I can eat chocolate in certain quantities
I do eat biscuits but the ones lowest in fat
OP, do you see any problem with these statements? All three of these things are processed, empty calories. They are not giving your body any nutrition.
You need to think about replacing these things with fruit, low fat yoghurt, seeds and nuts. Eat proper food for your meals - porridge, fish lean meat, vegetables, beans and pulses. Give up the bread at dinner time. These are easy changes, and you won't even notice after a while.

*tremendous amounts of will power to lose 6 stone...

But clearly fat equals lazy so I guess that's fair assumption.

Now you're just being rude. That's not what she said or implied.

You're feeling defensive because really you know a lot of the advice here is good advice. I have noticed that you have addressed all the things you CAN'T do but you are actually ignoring everything being said to you about accountibility and portion control.

So do you want to talk about that? Write down what you eat and write down why you ate it. Do that for two weeks. You CAN do that.

For the second time, do you have a tablet?

Meant to add op that the NHS website has a very good 12 week weight loss programme on-line that establishes good habits.

Also, did your previous weight loss lead to gallbladder issues? (Sorry if I have this wrong.). My DH did the 5:2 very punctiliously and suffered an horrific gallstone incident 3/4 months in to the diet where a massive gallstone punctured the wall of his gallbladder and started puncturing his liver. He had his gallbladder out after that and has lost weight and suffered no problems at all afterwards. So that might be worth exploring if it is one of the things holding you back. Until then, I'm not a HCP, but interval dieting with periods of fasting, might not be the best strategy.

Chubby, I would echo the very helpful suggestions made by StuntNun.

Looking at your current diet, it is very high in carbohydrates, so I'm not surprised that you are constantly hungry (the carbs will be causing your blood sugar to rise fast and then crash later, making you crave more food). I think reducing your carbohydrate intake would help massively.

I would really encourage you to come and join us over on the low carb threads. There are lots of very knowledgeable and helpful people there who can probably help you to modify a low carb diet so you can still do it without affecting your gall bladder problems.

Those of us on the threads all eat food we love, and don't feel it's a hard way of eating to follow. With regard to exercise, I wouldn't worry about that for now, just keep normally active. Diet is the most important thing to change to lose weight, and when you have lost a bit, you can then increase your exercise in order to become fitter.

I really hope you'll consider coming over and joining us, where you'll get some great support.

Gosh op. What do you want here? I've seldom seen anything so defeatist. Every response is an attack of why you can't do it.

No that's not what you should be eating. I think you know that. You're also eating a lot more than your are admitting to or have huge portions to be maintaining at 19 odd stone, there are no two ways about it.

What do you want? People to say you're right, your doc should have helped you, you're doing everything right, it's your exes fault and you are not to blame and nor can you fix this.

I'm sorry, I just don't know what you are after. Every time somone tries to help you attack or shoot down the suggestion or protest how well you eat.

Well make the bloody pasta sauce then! Get a tin of tomatoes, some stock, chilli, garlic, and chop veg into it. Done.

Or some garlic, onions, lean bacon, and drop an egg into your pasta for carbonara.

I would never use a pre-made sauce either.

You are feeling MUCH too sorry for yourself to listen to advice, you spin almost everything into an attack against you or an insult about you.

I would suggest Rebelfit, OP. It’s not about willpower. It’s about understanding what is driving your weight gain, and focusing on making small sustainable changes. Nobody will lecture or shame you and there’s great support.

@Chubbychubchub You only eat 2 slices of toast with banana, a salad/sandwich, a cooked from scratch dinner and 1 snack a day.

You don't add sugar to your tea, you don't eat butter and very little cheese, your milk is skimmed and your snacks are low fat?

I call bullshit!

No way does that kind of diet make you morbidly obese...either you're lying about your weight or you're lying about what you eat.

Steamcloud I already posted the link for that weightloss programme. Did you open it, OP ? I've noticed you keep finding the time to post to be negative, but not to acknowledge all the advice that various people have taken the time and trouble to post.

I don’t have any suggestions about weight loss...but I do have a comment on recovering from an abusive relationship and recovering your self esteem. Is it possible with more emotional support and recovering a sense of worth that can easily get lost in an abusive situation you might feel more positive about tackling the weight. It might be possible to self refer/ask dr about CBT or something to over come the impact that that relationship had.

OP sorry but i think your diet is terrible. It's not fuelling you at all. it's full of cheap carbs and nowhere near enough protein - you barely eat protein until your (probably too large) evening meal. I'd be reaching for the cereal & biscuits to try to fill up if i was eating that.

have you tried overnight oats? soak oats in alpro (or similar) coconut milk the night before in a tub with lid. put in fridge. In the morning top with seeds/berrries and eat / bring to work.

lunch - stop the terrible meal deals. can you get some soup somewhere?

The first thing i would cut out is the bread. Just stop buying it. It's full of empty calories.

I mean this kindly: the only person who can help you is you.

I do know what I'm talking about, I lost 11 stone.

You need to stop looking for help/placing blame on outside sources and have a serious chat with yourself.

It's the mental health bit that's toughest. I liken it to alcoholism, but with food.

The SW plan worked for me (without bothering with the group) and it seems well suited to those of us who like to stuff our faces! I found it very flexible and I wasn't frightened of being hungry.

But you are the only person who can do it for yourself.

I used to work with a woman who was morbidly obese. 5 foot 4ish and around twenty/twenty two stone.

She would eat only a wrap at lunchtime and a piece of fruit. She claimed to only eat soup for dinner. She had no underlying medical issues (thyroid etc).

She would go on, at length, about how little she ate and how she tried exercise yet nothing worked. She would make a point of talking about it.

It was crushingly obvious she was in denial because there was simply no way she could maintain her weight with what she claimed to be eating.

Your meals are ok not great but I'm sorry your 'snacks' are a real issue. A bowl of cereal is a meal NOT a snack. Previous posters have suggested just making one change I say make that change no eating after your evening meal. An orange if you need desperately to have something but cut out that 500 calorie evening snack. In three days it will be easier in a week you won't be that bothered in a month you'll be used to it. Come back and tell us how well you've done and how much weight you've lost and you'll be ready to make another change.

Can anyone remember a recent post from a lady who had had a lightbulb moment and instead of telling herself she was dieting and had to lose weight and deprive herself, she turned it around to tell herself she was going to have a lifestyle change and it worked for her.

Think it was titled something like If I can do it anyone can?

Can someone provide the link please?

She got a bit of flak at first from people saying well, okay, you're eating a bit less and exercising a bit more, but she was so enthused that she'd found a way to do what without all the self-defeating devastating 'No, I can't do that because' mental chatter.