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Please please could someone read this email to ex and tell me if I sound a twat/too harsh/not harsh enough

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theduchessstill · 21/02/2018 13:20

I know it's not really AIBU but I am in pieces about this and have no one to go through it with in rl atm. I think the context is pretty clear from what I've written. Ds1 really doesn't want to go there (he's 10), but, aside from whether that's UR or not, I have to work over the weekend and really on their twice weekly contact with H to work anyway. I've emailed before but he never responds.

Email:

Ds1 has been talking more this week about his feelings about his life at the moment and his experience of living between the two houses. In particular he has reiterated his feelings about the bias he perceives you showing towards ds2 and the fact that he feels you become angry with him in way that he doesn't think is proportionate with his actions. He has stated that you have hit him more than once as a way of punishing him when he hits ds2. Obviously this is not an ideal way of dealing with violence between them and you need to know that ds1 has been very upset by it. He has also said he finds you quite unpredictable in general.

He would like to stay with me tomorrow and for me to drop him off at yours on Friday morning after ds2’s one-to-one swimming lesson (8.30-9am). I realise you are not going to be happy about this, but you need to understand this has all come from ds1 and I have not led these discussions or initiated them - he has. I think they are difficult to manage and there is a lot of competitiveness between them and ds1 is feeling a high degree of responsibility for how tensions are managed. For instance, he has said he realises ds2 is very stubborn and that you find it difficult to enforce rules with him etc. This is just an observation he has made and he shouldn't have to be worrying about these things.

I feel like you need to be more proactive in the way you parent them and less reactive. I spend a lot of time thinking about how to manage situations and most definitely don't always get it right; it is hard and takes up a lot of time and energy I don't always feel like I have. But that is parenting - it's not just a case of making sure you have time with them, but what you do with them when you have it. I think it's vital that ds2 is dealt with firmly and with consistency, and that ds1 sees this happening. At the moment there are a lot of gaps that behaviours are slipping down and this has implications for their future relationships with each other, us and other people.

I wish you would reply to this. I can't keep sending them to you, knowing that some things are not quite right and the fact that you won't communicate with me about it is making it a lot worse. Parenting is hard, and certainly harder in a situation like ours, but it could be easier if we were in communication with each other and filled each other in about things that have happened and how we have dealt with them etc.

I think it would be a good idea if you discussed ds1’s feelings with him over this weekend while you are in X and ds2 could be looked after by someone else. I think he would really appreciate it and you could identify things he thinks he would like to happen. I have found it helpful to involved them in drawing up house rules and ds2 might like writing them down with pens/colours etc.

End of email.

That's as far as I've got. Hits haven't been hard I think and ds1 has said other stuff about ex being distant, slouching around and being lazy - all of which I know and have experienced/seen for myself. Not bad enough to withhold contact I suppose, but should I be standing by while ds1 is so upset and adamant he doesn't want to be there?

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MadMags · 23/02/2018 12:10

I also think you are encouraging ds1 to critique his fathers parenting in a way that is unhelpful and inappropriate. Why on earth do you think his father should be discussing if the routines are ok with the children.

I agree, and I think there’s truth in what Elton posts, too...

theduchessstill · 23/02/2018 12:48

I think the advice about backing off and accepting I can't control this is really helpful, thank you. It just seems sad that I can see how it adversely affecting both children and I can't do anything about it. Every time I go and pick them up he is watching something like Judge Judy, ds2 is on a tablet and ds1 is up in his room. Every time. I know I can't change that but it's frustrating to see. Especially when, if a school holiday hits and he has nothing else planned, he will insist he wants them for half of it - just to have them sat in his house doing nothing with them.

People saying I'm encouraging ds1 to critique his parenting - I'm not. These are observations ds1 has made off his own back. If ds1 was to say he didn't want to go there at all, it would put me up shit creek with childcare, so it's certainly not something I'm trying to provoke . I spend a lot of time talking to ds1 about how things are not his responsibility. He's an old head on young shoulders and always has been.

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corrianderisthedevil · 23/02/2018 12:51

Oh OP I really feel for you. You sound like you're a wonderful parent and are doing the right thing by bringing up these issues with your ex. If he won't respond, would a phone call work better? Perhaps ones night when the kids are in bed and have a discussion about it?

corrianderisthedevil · 23/02/2018 12:52

My parents divorced when I was 6 and I frequently remember my mum and dad phoning each other to discuss various things/behaviour/school/weekend related issues.

Ohforfoxsakereturns · 23/02/2018 13:12

My counsellor reinforced that my children will have MY values. Whatever XH says or does, they will be ok because of me. So I make sure they are rested, nourished, clean, active, comfortable, respectful, confident etc etc.

I think it’s easier for me because he doesn’t want them 50:50. He sees them 1:1 (the older boys) because otherwise he’d be lonely, and they don’t mind watching sport on the tv endlessly. The DCs meet his needs on his terms, so they now make their own decisions. One night a month I insist he has them all. They’ll put up with it (his home isn’t big enough for them all - that was his choice at the time) but anymore would cause problems.

Your boys will ultimately make their own minds up about their DF. What he does may be enough for them, it just isn’t enough for you. You know they deserve better, they will get that from you. There will be an imbalance, you will compensate, pick up the pieces and fill in the gaps. This is how it is now. Not fair, but accept it and be the best parent you can be.

Ohforfoxsakereturns · 23/02/2018 13:15

Oh, and to add - accepting it has meant we can communicate. Although I’d rather have nothing to do with him, it means that where the DCs are concerned we are civil. Occasionally DS1 tries his luck and attempts to play us off against each other. I phone XH and make him aware, and invariable he will back me. This is really important to me. We have a workable relationship of sorts. This has to be the ultimate goal.

theduchessstill · 23/02/2018 13:33

Thanks for taking the time to post all that fox. It seems our situations are quite similar so it's really helpful to hear from someone further along in the process Flowers.

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Lonecatwithkitten · 23/02/2018 14:05

Also with the benefit of years of hindsight you can not change their parenting style. You can keep your children safe and this includes from emotional abuse and yes in cases of emotional abuse SS will support you withholding contact.
They will refuse to acknowledge the relationship with their child is broken and that they need to work to fix.
If you provide a loving, consistent and supportive home your children will thrive. Ultimately as teenagers they can make up their own minds and make their own choices.
Some children are genuinely better off with no contact with some parents.

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