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Please please could someone read this email to ex and tell me if I sound a twat/too harsh/not harsh enough

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theduchessstill · 21/02/2018 13:20

I know it's not really AIBU but I am in pieces about this and have no one to go through it with in rl atm. I think the context is pretty clear from what I've written. Ds1 really doesn't want to go there (he's 10), but, aside from whether that's UR or not, I have to work over the weekend and really on their twice weekly contact with H to work anyway. I've emailed before but he never responds.

Email:

Ds1 has been talking more this week about his feelings about his life at the moment and his experience of living between the two houses. In particular he has reiterated his feelings about the bias he perceives you showing towards ds2 and the fact that he feels you become angry with him in way that he doesn't think is proportionate with his actions. He has stated that you have hit him more than once as a way of punishing him when he hits ds2. Obviously this is not an ideal way of dealing with violence between them and you need to know that ds1 has been very upset by it. He has also said he finds you quite unpredictable in general.

He would like to stay with me tomorrow and for me to drop him off at yours on Friday morning after ds2’s one-to-one swimming lesson (8.30-9am). I realise you are not going to be happy about this, but you need to understand this has all come from ds1 and I have not led these discussions or initiated them - he has. I think they are difficult to manage and there is a lot of competitiveness between them and ds1 is feeling a high degree of responsibility for how tensions are managed. For instance, he has said he realises ds2 is very stubborn and that you find it difficult to enforce rules with him etc. This is just an observation he has made and he shouldn't have to be worrying about these things.

I feel like you need to be more proactive in the way you parent them and less reactive. I spend a lot of time thinking about how to manage situations and most definitely don't always get it right; it is hard and takes up a lot of time and energy I don't always feel like I have. But that is parenting - it's not just a case of making sure you have time with them, but what you do with them when you have it. I think it's vital that ds2 is dealt with firmly and with consistency, and that ds1 sees this happening. At the moment there are a lot of gaps that behaviours are slipping down and this has implications for their future relationships with each other, us and other people.

I wish you would reply to this. I can't keep sending them to you, knowing that some things are not quite right and the fact that you won't communicate with me about it is making it a lot worse. Parenting is hard, and certainly harder in a situation like ours, but it could be easier if we were in communication with each other and filled each other in about things that have happened and how we have dealt with them etc.

I think it would be a good idea if you discussed ds1’s feelings with him over this weekend while you are in X and ds2 could be looked after by someone else. I think he would really appreciate it and you could identify things he thinks he would like to happen. I have found it helpful to involved them in drawing up house rules and ds2 might like writing them down with pens/colours etc.

End of email.

That's as far as I've got. Hits haven't been hard I think and ds1 has said other stuff about ex being distant, slouching around and being lazy - all of which I know and have experienced/seen for myself. Not bad enough to withhold contact I suppose, but should I be standing by while ds1 is so upset and adamant he doesn't want to be there?

OP posts:
donners312 · 21/02/2018 16:38

I don't think you can really tell your Ex how to deal with and discipline his sons or whether he is favoring one of the other etc. It doesn't sound like he gives a toss what you think?

I thought it was illegal to smack your child and definitely wouldn't be sending my DC there. I know you need the childcare and it sucks but you might just have to sort that.

Ohyesiam · 21/02/2018 16:44

I would use bullet points in the first paragraph where you are telling him your grievances.
I would make the rest less wordy too, and would be asking for some sort of mediation, as it doesn't sound like he will start getting it right because you ask him to.
I like that you are owning that it's hard.

Best of luck with it op.

lookingforthecorkscrew · 21/02/2018 16:45

Waaaaay too wordy. One paragraph per point/issue, with a topic sentence that makes it v clear what's being raised. Then a brief elaboration.

The 'that's what parenting is' line will just really get his back up and shut him down.

lookingforthecorkscrew · 21/02/2018 16:46

You could literally write 'DS1 doesn't want to come to you any more because you smack him. Let's talk to try and resolve this.'

End of email.

theduchessstill · 21/02/2018 16:54

Just to answer a couple of points:

  1. Speaking face to face is hard because of lack of childcare. We could stick them in front of screens but he has a tendency to shout/storm off when things don't go his way, so not ideal for them to be in the house at all.
  1. Mediation - similar issue. We had it when divorcing, but he was quite manipulative in the sessions then claimed not to have remembered what had been agreed and that they had never sent him the notes summarising it. I don't believe that, but he used it to get the arse with the mediator. Then he wanted to start the whole process from scratch at my expense. he has no respect for the process, just like he won't respect anything I send him.

FFS - can't see it ending well.

OP posts:
lookingforthecorkscrew · 21/02/2018 16:58

Surely it's better to have a tetchy f2f than to keep sending emails that you have no idea he's even read? That would frustrate the shit out of me.

RedHelenB · 21/02/2018 16:58

What do you do when ds1 hurts his younger brother? And what age is ds2? Often we hear of Disney dads but this one sounds like he is trying to discipline them?

Follyfoot · 21/02/2018 17:06

I wouldn't send that email - too many 'I wish', 'I think', 'I feel' sentences. It's about your son and needs to reflect just that. Concentrate on why he doesn't want to go and ask to talk. That's all you need to put.

snewsname · 21/02/2018 17:16

Anyone rational would appreciate that you've worded it carefully to avoid blame and to try to get the message across without causing offence. Trouble is he doesn't sound like a rational person.

I think you really need to concentrate on empowering Ds to speak for himself - and stop him hitting his brother. Talk about stepping back from the situation and seeing it from a new perspective, and how his dad is more likely to listen to him if he is calm and not hitting.

Good luck.

prh47bridge · 21/02/2018 17:19

I thought it was illegal to smack your child and definitely wouldn't be sending my DC there

It is illegal in Scotland and Wales. However, in England a parent can legally smack their child provided it is "reasonable punishment". It would definitely not be reasonable punishment if it leaves a mark.

Until such time as smacking is outlawed in England the courts will not support a parent who refuses contact because the other parent smacks the child provided they do so legally, i.e. the smacking is reasonable punishment.

LadyRobertaMeserole · 21/02/2018 17:28

I don't want to sound like I'm projecting my situation and only the OP knows if it's just a genuine difference in parenting styles.

But my Ex can very much make it sound like he's just a father trying to cope with disobedient young teens.
He asked her to go to bed 3 times and she wouldn't, of course he got annoyed, any parent would right?
What he doesn't say is it was nowhere near her normal bed time and when she queried it he screamed in her face for an hour and started thumping the wall.

It doesn't sound like the OPs ds1 is just objecting to normal discipline. He seems to have thought it through, be talking about it reasonably and even taking some responsibility for his part. Certainly more than his dad is.

Hissy · 21/02/2018 17:29

FFS - can't see it ending well.

He hits your child.. why the duck has it gone “well” this far?

I agree with looking tell him his son doesn’t want to come because he gets hit, and when that’s resolved, perhaps ds will reconsider

You have to get this sorted

You can take emergency parental leave for things like this, take the time to find reliable and non violent childcare and then get to work

Hissy · 21/02/2018 17:30

Ultimately tho, if you can’t work in this job without relying on a man like this, you need to change jobs.

LadyRobertaMeserole · 21/02/2018 17:52

I don't disagree that the OP finding a way to be able to work without relying on her Ex would be a good idea, but that's not going to solve the problem of ongoing contact.

As PP said the court is not going to support the OP stopping contact because of the way the Ex disciplines the children, even if that includes smacking.
And if the Ex is insisting on 50:50 (without any regard to how the children are feeling) what can she do?

GeorgeTheHippo · 21/02/2018 18:03

I think it is a good, thoughtful, honest email. I can see no one agrees with me though!

LadyRobertaMeserole · 21/02/2018 18:23

George I agree with you and most parents would take it on board to improve their relationship with their child.
But if the Ex doesn't want to take responsibility for his part in how he is making ds1 feels (and from what the OP has written I suspect he won't), he will just see it as her 'having a go at him' and ignore it.

theduchessstill · 21/02/2018 18:30

Well I sent him a text about an hour ago briefly stating the issue and suggesting he come in to talk it through tomorrow before taking ds2. He hasn't replied.

Think I will send the email with a few cuts if he doesn't respond within an hour or so. If I get nothing I'm not really inclined to send either of them tomorrow.

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lookingforthecorkscrew · 21/02/2018 18:33

You're just setting yourself up for further frustration if you email him, it'll be another thing he doesn't acknowledge.

BerylStreep · 21/02/2018 18:37

I liked Bluntness's suggestion.

DS1 doesn't want to come this weekend because you smack him. Please could we talk about this ASAP?

BerylStreep · 21/02/2018 18:39

I wouldn't send that e-mail - even with edits.

MotherofaSurvivor · 21/02/2018 18:41

Actually OP, I think you'll find smacking IS illegal in England.

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 21/02/2018 18:43

I would make the email much, much shorter.

Not because it doesn’t make sense, more that your Ex does not seem to be listening.

I would keep it focused on the hitting. I would not want my Ex to hit our child ever, for any reason. I would not want my son to hit another for any reason, ever. I’d talk to SS and a solicitor about this.

theduchessstill · 21/02/2018 18:44

Is it Mother? I googled and it said it was OK in England by a parent and as reasonable punishment. Happy to be corrected though.

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MadMags · 21/02/2018 18:47

It’s waaaayyy to long and lecture-y.

It’s also a weird mix of dramatic and overly formal! And bouncing around all over the place.

You need to be clear and concise, I think.

NeatFreakMama · 21/02/2018 19:00

It might be worth reading it while keeping in mind what you're trying to achieve, which I guess is to improve the relationship between him and your son? I don't think the email does that as it takes a position that he's not parenting well which in all likelihood will just get his back up. A quick call talking about what your son said, and not what you think he should do about it, might be more effective achieving the outcome? Hopefully he'll then come to the conclusion himself he needs a chat with him. Good luck x

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