To find it outrageous that school inspects the DC's trousers

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And makes them change immediately into school regulation trousers if they are not the right 'cut'.

Black trousers are black trousers surely. DS wanted the 'skinny' type which are not actually skinny but less flappable than the standard fit. All the rage, plenty of DC wearing them. Store sells them as school trousers. They are school trousers.

School decides they are 'jeans'.

AIBU to think they should take their head out if their arse and concentrate on educating the DC rather than making them line up for 'inspection', as if they are army recruits?

Lower school HAS to wear trousers only sold by school uniform shop. They even put a colourful line down the side, like they are an army brass band, so they cannot sneak on reasonably priced trousers - £18 as opposed to £6 supermarket ones.

It is obscene. Why are they allowed to get away with it?

Before some idiot pipes up that I should disrupt DS's education by moving him if I don't like 'dem rulz', schools are a public SERVICE not a vehicle for boosting the ego of some limp dicked, power crazed twat .

You signed a home/school agreement I assume?

Bloody follow it.

Or go to the press and gurn like a twit so somebody can send your article to APILN on Facebook, then everyone can have a jolly good giggle.

I couldn't care less on uniform as a thinh (as i said in my first post).
What I have an issue with is organisations setting dress codes and expectations and then some parents decide the rules don't apply to me/my DC because I don't like the rule.

In my non uniform school, we had certain guidelines. The students managed to follow it perfectly fine. Take the attitude of we have with some in UK state schools of but why shouldn't my child do x y z instead? and even non uniform wouldn't work because the same people who can't send their kids in a basic uniform would be the ones who'd willingly ignore any guidelines that don't suit.

It's an attitude problem of if i don't like it then why should i do it.

If the the shoes are black does it matter that they're trainers/plimsolls/ballet pumps etc. I don't understand why it has to be so prescriptive.
I also think it should be joggers n t shirts for primary school rather than the shirt and tie combo they've decided on at my dc's school. Before someone pipes up that I knew the rules before I applied, the uniform was navy jumper, polo top and trousers until they became an academy.

Maisypop why does it matter if girls decide to wear skinny or legging style trousers, does it cut the circulation off to their brain or something? Does having looser trousers enhance learning in any way? These really sound like rules just for the sake of it.

YABU.

And sound so aggressive. Expect you have many complaints eh OP?

Hurray, only three more months till I’m free forever from school demands for ‘perfectly simple plain black shoes’, which have been the bane of my life now for nearly 14 years of square-footed children.

That reminds me that dd’s current school trousers are probably going to fall foul of the new rule that ankles should not be visible (they aren’t cropped ones, she’s just tall).

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For the 3rd time on this thread... i couldn't care less whether a school has uniform not.

What i have an issue with is the general attitude problem of i don'r fancy following this rule so i won't. My kids want to wear skinny trousers so they're special darlings who don't have to follow it.

I every time i hear 'but earrings don't affect my brain/as if leggings impact my learning'. It's the hallmark of 'but i will do what i like and will tell my children to only follow rules they feel like'. It is a pervasive attitude which seeps through schools. Kids with that attitude from home are also the ones who think anything they don't fancy is up for discussion 'but why do we have to write the date? But why can't i doodle in my book. It's not affecting my brain'. Meanwhile their parents look on dotingly because schools expext blind obedience and they're all about challenging authority. Except it doesn't teach their child to raise reasonable concerns appropriately and instead creates PITA syndrome which disrupts learning for all.

YABU

If you don't like the uniform policy, change to a school that has a policy you agree with. I hate it when parents cherry pick which bits of a school they are happy to comply with.

Well uniform is there to try to avoid some kids who can afford the current trend.... etc you said it yourself
"DS wanted the 'skinny' type which are not actually skinny but less flappable than the standard fit. All the rage"

I imagine uniform policy set by the governments not the 'dick' who has the hard task of running the place...no wonder teachers are leaving in their droves with such lovely helpful supportive parents ...

Maisypop so it is setting rules just for the sake of it then. A power trip, in other words. Thanks for confirming that.

sounds reasonable to me, what's the point of a uniform if people keep asking for exceptions for their snowflakes? Why should a school allow skinny trousers because they are fashionable?

Just stick to the uniform, or put your child somewhere else. Guidelines have to become stricter and stricter because of parents taking liberties. Blame them, or blame yourself, don't blame the school.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/514978/School_Uniform_Guidance.pdf

Best practice is to offer the option of cheaper alternatives. I wouldn't think you can buy black trousers with a stripe from your local supermarket....but then maybe the academy chain 'funds' it's own uniform.....
Worth asking about the policy or any support with cost.

Maisypopso it is setting rules just for the sake of it then. A power trip, in other words. Thanks for confirming that.
Even schools i've taught in with no uniform had dress codes.
The difference between those schools and the attitudes you see in uk state schools is that in those non uniform schools parents actually supported the school. They didn't have this chip on their shoulder of 'eeh i don't like this rule. They're on such powrr trips'.
When i hear adults carry on like that they sound like stroppy teenagers.

I have a dreas code at work. I can't wear what i like.
My friends have dress codes at work and can't wear what they like.
Other friends have to have hospital scrubs.
Friends in nurseries have to wear the company polo and jacket.

I'm not goinf to go to school dressed how I like because mean nasty head teacher is on a power trip. No, i dress according to the dress code because i'm not some daft stroppy overgrown child who thinks basic rulea don't apply to me.

I’d be reminding them that the Govt said they should pay heed to the costs when setting school uniform policies. Here

I’m glad my children have left school. They started off secondary in black trousers (any), black blazer, we bought the badge and sewed it on, a school tie and white shirt. By the time DS2 left, it had changed 3 times and in the 5 years since it’s changed twice more. Trousers, skirts and shirts have to have the school logo on them and can be bought from one shop only.

It’s absolutely madness. Strict school uniform is completely outdated imo

I meant uniform policy set by the governors not governments! oops...

I never found it that difficult to follow uniform, fairly easy and straight forward... the problem comes when some parents assume their little darlings are the exception and can pick and choose bits of the uniform policy to suit them... and would you believe some parents actually run to the papers with sad faces (they end up mainly looking like dicks who cannot read a uniform policy) moan groan and why me sob stories it is only a pair of shoes... but the trousers are not that skinny, my dear little snowflake will get very upset if he/she has to wear what most other families manage to provide...blah de blah

The thing with the skinny trousers is, my son is really skinny and tall and looks ridiculous in normal flappy trousers and finds them uncomfortable... who in real life over the age of 16 would choose to be do uncomfortable. I feel glad we go to a school where uniform is fairly easy going. I'm a nurse and wear a uniform with tights, but I can choose which shoes to wear. I bring a little style to my uniform with Dr Martens

GOVERNORS SET THE UNIFORM NOT THE TEACHERS

Honestly, I’m going to get a banner made!!

Sorry mean to I add , see page 5 of the document above.

Also write to the DfE. (😝) Or go to your MP. ( not your Local Auhority as they are not responsible for academies)
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/sep/08/government-accused-of-breaking-promise-on-school-uniform-cost

School uniform is very outdated. You won't find many suits or uniform in new media jobs. My husband's company has no dress code whatsoever - IT company. He has never had to wear one. I don't understand the obsession over school uniform in our County at all, even in my 4 year old's Nursery there is an optional uniform and most of the children wear it (mine doesn't) even though some of the parents can ill afford it.

Is governors choosing the school uniform an academy thing? I've been a goverenor at a maintained school and had no input into the uniform.

Without seeing the trousers in question it's impossible to know if they look like jeans

What is the problem with kids wearing comfy trainers Maisy

Do you mean no-name trainers because your mum can't afford anything else, or the latest Nike Air Max that are all the rage right now?

DD's and DS's old school used to police:
-The inside lining of their coat that was worn on the way to and from school.
-The toes and heels of their black socks hidden by their school shoes
-The laces in their white PE trainer
-The colour of the hairband in their hair
-The shape of the buttons on their shirts
As well as the usual obbsesion of thats not the right sort of black school trousers, thats not the right sort of black skirt, thats not the right sort of white shirt, thats not the right sort of black shoes etc.
And these were not rules we signed up and agrreed to they were slowly introduced.
We moved school not just over their ridiculous uniform policy however we are bloody glad are children can now just get on with learning at school and they dont have to have every single bit of their appearance inspected and bullied on a daily basis.
And as I thought would be the case a school with the more relaxed uniform policy has more cooperative students and parents, the kids like their teachers and enjoy learning, behaviour is improved and results are higher.
Only solutions I can think of is to have a normal reasonable school uniform policy or for the school to provide children with the uniform, dont say white shirt, black trousers/skirt and black shoes and then when parents send them in in a white shirt, black trousers/skirt and black shoes say its the wrong sort.

DD's (state) primary has no uniform, so happily we have none of these issues- within reason, the children wear what they like. It is graded 'Outstanding' so there is obviously no negative effect on performance. Why bother with uniform for primary schools at all?

reg plates are also sold which are illegal theyre still sold as reg plates though