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Trump Talk: or, Lift every voice and sing

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lionheart · 17/02/2018 19:58

It's Black History Month and the fight goes on (plus, we all need a boost that does not come from ye olde hop flask).

Lift every voice and sing

Till earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.

Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;

Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,

Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,

God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might

Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,

May we forever stand.

True to our God,
True to our native land.

James Weldon Johnson (1900)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/02/2018 08:43

Columnist Mona Charen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center was met with jeers and boos when she criticized conservatives for supporting Roy Moore and President Donald Trump during a #UsToo panel at CPAC.

I also wonder what will happen to the "decent" Republicans when Trump is shown the door?

CNN’s Ana Navarro Perfectly Rips Into the Vile and Disgusting Nature of CPAC

The other day I was talking with a buddy of mine who watches a lot of CNN. We both wondered what’s going to become of Republicans like Ana Navarro and other conservatives like her who’ve refused to sell out to Donald Trump once he’s out of office and a Democrat is back in the White House.
Continues:
forwardprogressives.com/cnns-ana-navarro-perfectly-rips-into-the-vile-and-disgusting-nature-of-cpac-video/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/02/2018 08:54

White House scandals, palace intrigue and swamp

Axios
@axios
Scoop: Corey Lewandowski returns to the Oval Office for meeting with Trump and Kelly

www.axios.com/before-cpac-speech-trump-had-secret-oval-office-meeting-1519509829-f9f3e754-ca7e-4f29-ae25-19b38d9182cd.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
Ban of him that Kelly tried after last meeting appears to have ended.

And

Donald Trump Jr dubs US press a disaster, says India’s is fairer

m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/trump-jr-dubs-us-press-a-disaster-says-indias-is-fairer/amp_articleshow/63035413.cms?__twitter_impression=true

Annie Gowen
@anniegowen
@nauzerbtoi @mohuadazzTOI Did you ask @donaldtrumpjr abt legal issues of his various biz partners? What about conflict of interest on this trip? Did you agree not to ask him about politics or Russia? #journalism101 (link: toi.in/49EoHa/a24gk ) via @TOIMumbai

Nauzer Bharucha
@nauzerbTOI
Replying to @anniegowen
@ Hi Annie, we were given just 10 minutes with him and constantly warned by his minders not to ask any politically-loaded questions.

And

Washington Post
@washingtonpost
Nunes gets CPAC award for pushback on Russia probe

t.co/BgyQ8ra0kP?amp=1

And

Citizens for Ethics
@CREWcrew
Did you know that Devin Nunes' mother is the treasurer of his joint fundraising committee? The FEC sent her a letter this week that the numbers don't add up on on its year end report. (link: docquery.fec.gov/pdf/854/201802190300098854/201802190300098854.pdf )

And

Say goodnight to net neutrality as AT&T just rolled out 'internet fast lanes'

m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/23/1744321/-Say-goodnight-to-net-neutrality-as-AT-T-just-rolled-out-internet-fast-lanes

And

Be A King
@BerniceKing
Someone tweeted to me that my father “didn’t offend people.” At the time Daddy was killed, a poll reflected that he was the most hated man in America. Most hated. Many who quote him now & use him to deter justice would likely hate him too if they truly studied #MLK. #MLK50Forward

BWD 🤢 You People Replaced Obama With This
They have no role models, so they just invent their own reality. They suddenly love Muhammed Ali too. And JFK. And in 20 years they'll love Barack Obama. What else can people who voted for Trump do?

NBC Bay Area
NBC Bay Area
@nbcbayarea
#BREAKING: Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf is alerting Bay Area residents of possible ICE operations starting "as soon as within the next 24 hours."

www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Oakland-Mayor-Libby-Schaaf-Alerts-Undocumented-Residents-of-Potential-ICE-Raids-475069373.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true

TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/02/2018 08:54

The Wired article about Facebook and it's ad selling is just Shock - Mark Zuckerberg is no hero.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/02/2018 09:04

It’s a long thread that I lack the effort to copy and paste on here in full but it’s a good one, based on someone’s experience with trying to be recruited

Mister Happy Die Happy
@MrHappyDieHappy
NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable.

There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.

mobile.twitter.com/MrHappyDieHappy/status/967027082537721856

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/02/2018 09:04

My experience with reporting offensive content with fb shows that they really have no issue with very abhorrent hate filled content.

lionheart · 25/02/2018 09:21

Thanks Pain. I noticed the one of the Indian reporters getting into an online spat over the Trump Jr interview and why they didn't ask the hard. questions.

The attempts to target online mental health groups are something else. Sad

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lionheart · 25/02/2018 09:22

More swamp.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/24/rightwing-billionaires-union-rights

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lionheart · 25/02/2018 09:24

Let's hope the 'old style conservatives' are away somewhere and plotting their own course.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/24/cpac-trump-conservatives-republicans

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lionheart · 25/02/2018 09:29

United Technologies handed Donald Trump bragging rights in late 2016 when, just weeks after he won the election, the manufacturing giant publicly credited the soon-to-be president with striking a deal to save hundreds of Indiana furnace factory jobs that seemed destined to move to Mexico.

In exchange for $7m (£5m) in state tax credits, the firm agreed to retain 770 of roughly 1,400 positions at a Carrier plant in Indianapolis and send the rest to Monterrey, Mexico. Greg Hayes, the company’s chairman and chief executive, later suggested federal contracts also played a role. He said: “I was born at night, but not last night.... I also know that about 10 per cent of our revenue comes from the US government.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/united-technologies-donald-trump-carrier-pentagon-defense-department-indianapolis-mexico-nepotism-a8226886.html

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Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 25/02/2018 09:37

Trump is a busy little chap! 13 tweets in the last 14 hours, mostly retweeting or quoting Fox news. And featuring a range of easily disproven lies.

lionheart · 25/02/2018 09:42

The Moscow Project

@moscow_project
Feb 23

'The Russia investigation moves so quickly that it can be hard to keep track of all of the details.

Today we're launching a fully-revamped Moscow Project website, chock-full of research, news, and analysis to map out the Russia story - all in one place.'

themoscowproject.org/

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Roussette · 25/02/2018 09:42

He always does this Sleip when he's constipated. Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/02/2018 09:49

who is behind the Moscow Project?

PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2018 09:49

Shock I'll post that thread by @MrHappyDieHappy in full – usual disclaimer that I know nothing about the writer.

Meanwhile, this reply sums it up:

Mike O
@Vilijijit
Replying to @MrHappyDieHappy and @candaceshaw
This is the same tactic that the Church of Scientology has been using since it's inception... Find people in a vulnerable state, and exploit them. Promise them safety and peace, while turning them.

PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2018 09:57

[part 1]

Mister Happy Die Happy
@MrHappyDieHappy
NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable.

There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.
1:23 pm · 23 Feb 2018

The common railroad stages of 'helpful' linking to 'motivational speakers' goes 'Jordan Peterson -> Stefan Molyneux -> Millennial Woes. The first is charismatic and not as harmful, but his persuasiveness leaves people open for the next two, who are frankly evil and dumb.

People in these communities are often drowning in despair and susceptible to corruption by charismatic, lucid evil offering them what seems like the only lifeline. I know nobody reads my tweets, but I hope somebody stumbles on this and second guesses their influences.

The alt-right offer people with absolutely nothing a sense of a loving 'extended family' and give the directionless a sense of spiritual destiny. The truth is that their ideas are brain poison to depressed and anxious and will exacerbate all your symptoms.

I have seen vulnerable people melt into paranoid messes through this stuff, and their 'friends' do not care. The happy figureheads of these communities (Spencer, etc) are the bullshit frontage. Read the chat or comment section and you will find nothing but utterly broken souls.

Mark Collett and his goons destroy depressed people's lives while offering them a friend and a lifeline. Be aware. Be safe.

Yes, it didn't work on me, but I'm not anything special and can easily imagine that if they got me at a certain stage in my life I would have yielded. It starts SO seemingly harmless. Everything is buried under layers of subterfuge and euphemism until grooming is complete.

I cannot help but feel people like Sargon, Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson, Lauren Southern and Styxhexenhammer are ABSOLUTELY aware their videos are FREQUENTLY used as alt-right primers in online communities of lonely, anxious young men. How could they POSSIBLY not be?

I was invited to a Discord server after expressing general depression, suicidal thoughts, etc. It soon became clear it was an alt-right mob. I don't mean gamer liberals with Pepe avatars. I mean Jonathan Bowden fanatics, Anders Breivik supporters and ethnostate advocates.

The racism conversations were worked towards first by bashing 'mainstream religion', which amounted to a lot of talk about Muslims and then 'globalism'/big business', which amounted to a lot of talk about the Jews.

The next step in my alt-right red pill crash course was Stefan Molyneux. Unlike Peterson, I didn't fall under his spell. He spoke like a cult leader. I was left wondering what the fuss about this Phil Mitchell lookalike motherfucker was all about.

One of the subsections for the Discord was the war room. Organised action merely amounted to the mass down voting of 'SJW' interviews or media trailers

People may be wondering how I could just hang with fascists like that if I wasn't one of them...

When the very pit of one's stomach is full of utter revulsion for the universe and being alive, numbness consumes all. I wasn't attracted to fascism, but I was ambivalent about it. This is fundamental to how they ensnare (some) depressives.

A bunch of the group planned on attending the now infamous Charlottesville rally. It was sold as a Unite the Right rally for everybody against political correctness rather than an exclusively alt-right rally, so many of the 'normies' were interested in going for the social aspect

Again, this is how they operate. 'We will be friends with you.' That can be an immeasurably powerful statement for people. Most of these young men were mildly above average in intelligence and shared the same nerdish hobbies. For some it was their only chance at a social life.

An 'alt-right dating group' was formed.

Everybody was male. After about 30 men posted their bios, the group died.

Millennial Woes was to be my big red pill moment. People were so excited to hear my reactions to seeing his videos that they logged in specifically, having followed my initiation for a while.

This excitement about me was not something I was accustomed to and made me feel wanted. It was one of the primary reasons for me sticking with the group. They were funny, a bit dangerous and LIKED me. Hurray. Warm feelings. Little by little I grew to depend emotionally on them.

MW is the most cherished member of the Brit alt-right. Woes' audience are, to be blunt, outcasts. Loners. Depressives. Like myself. He was spoke of as some genius thinker, but I found his oration skills to be VERY poor and his vids dull and meandering.
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Over Xmas, every day for 30 (or so?) days he interviewed somebody from the community. A few of these were Discord group members with small YT alt-right channels. They were so happy, and everybody was so happy for them. A sincere bond of friendship binds these lonely people.

The state of my depression was so all-encompassing that I viewed their fascism with detachment, but I admit I had grown to pity and even like some of them. I didn't understand racial pride or national pride, but I understood depression, loneliness and alienation.

The ones I truly disliked were the higher ups. The groomers. Those who lured people to these communities not to 'save' them, but to make up the numbers. The bullshit scare tactics. The nonsensical promises. Mark Collett is one of these people. I grew to despise him.

The alt-right primarily organise on Discord servers. Hundreds of people. Many view Stormfront as 'Nazi LARPers' ruining the 'optics' of the movement. No, the alt-right plan and work in secret. Alt-right videos often aren't for the alt-right. They're to PROMOTE the alt-right.

How do you get an invite to alt-right Discord servers? They deliberately target lonely, disenfranchised young men. They have strategies. 'Best Jordan Peterson video to red pill a normie?' was a three day discussion.

Richard Spencer morbidly intrigued me because he seemed so grotesque, campy, ridiculous.. A bloated Crispin Glover trotting across the world stage and effeminately declaring himself the peak of western masculinity. WTF?
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PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2018 10:04

[part 2]

Mister Happy Die Happy
@MrHappyDieHappy
23 Feb
I'm a huge fan of campiness and the aesthetic of the diva, so I admit to having slightly enjoyed Richard Spencer at these times, but make no mistake, he is a profoundly irresponsible, immoral and manipulative man. I STRONGLY suspect he isn't a true believer of his cause.

Yes, you picked up on the ingenious homoerotic subtext of the last few tweets. Well done. I am perhaps not the sort of person these folk would like in their ethnostate. Let's move on...

Right now – yes, right now – there are separate online communities of hundreds of nerds plotting the absolute best way to get people to their cause. The overall number of active alt-right regulars numbers in the tens of thousands, though level of involvement varies wildly.

Mark Collett's video on how to beat depression. Sedate, friendly and offering support, telling people if they would like to know more to read his book. The name of his book? THE FALL OF WESTERN MAN.
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No. I am NOBODY. I legit want to be dead soon. I just had to warn people, and I hope people who are smarter than I am and more articulate than I am can get to the answers of why this is happening and how to stop it because I see it as an existential nightmare on the RISE.

Self-obsessed ASSHOLES such as Sargon and Warski (who the alt-right view as useful FUCKING morons) exploit this crisis for fame. I do not deserve or crave a platform. Take the information I give and spread it yourselves, PARTICULARLY to young men with autism, depression or ADHD.

Young men with autism, depression or ADHD are DELIBERATELY targeted as ripe for 'priming', which is how this escaped far right-centric sites and took over the chan boards and finally mainstream sites such as YouTube. Before I'm gone I want this all known.

This world is not for me, but before I leave I wanted to help others escape unnecessary, wasteful or needless suffering, whether it's neurodivergent prospective recruits to the alt-right or the many victims of the alt-right and their violent dream for the world.

Isolated and alone and neurodivergent people with few/no friends are often drawn to fantasy worlds, and this is what the alt-right present to them for the 'big reveal'. A mythical fantasy Middle Earth land for white people. I thought this was stupid and immoral, but many didn't.

If I hadn't had the specific life experiences, even in my alien waste of a life, of friendship from non-whites, LGBT people or whatever then it is very possible I may have fallen for the big reveal, but many were even more isolated than I had been.

The incandescent Tolkien fantasy land utopia blinds many at the bottom of the alt-right to the reality of how such a 'perfect' vision is to be created, which is through harassment, intimidation, deportation and, if necessary, extinction of ethnic minorities & other 'degenerates.'

I despise this world I was born into, but the alt-right want to make it MUCH. WORSE. The sheer INCOMPETENCE of the media in tackling them or their BULLSHIT 'centrist' enablers is infuriating to me. It should not take some fucking walking corpse like me to have to explain this.

I DO NOT want a platform as alt-rightsploitation by FAME HUNGRY centrist cunts like those named above is something I despise. For people looking for intelligent, CONSIDERED commentary on the ideas expressed, see @ContraPoints, @Hbomberguy, @shaun_jen, @SamSeder and @KyleKulinski

End of thread. Thanks so much for reading. I didn't expect more people than my two friends and some ad bots to see this. It has especially made me a little happier knowing that parents or friends who can identify the early signs in friends have seen this.

PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2018 10:17

I've seen Jordan Peterson mentioned on MN, so I looked him up. This is one account of a BBC interview of him – and importantly, the response to it.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/banning-jordan-peterson-causing-offence-cathy-newman-free-speech
For a vivid parable of what is wrong with contemporary discourse and culture – and of what could be right – look no further than last week’s Channel 4 News interview of Jordan Peterson, by Cathy Newman. At the time of writing, her half-hour grilling of the Toronto University professor of psychology has clocked up more than 2.3m views on YouTube, and provoked a cacophonous response across social media. So shamefully abusive have many of the attacks on Newman been that Channel 4 announced on Friday that it had called in security specialists.

As the digital temperature rose, Peterson quite rightly intervened on Twitter to stop the abuse: “If you’re threatening her, stop. Try to be civilized in your criticism.” It is unconscionable that a journalist doing her job should be threatened as Newman has been by “alt-right” idiots, with their pathetic Pepe the frog symbol, juvenile memes and claims that their adversaries have been “rekt”.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 25/02/2018 10:24

Reading that, I'm glad I'm 35 years too old for that sort of bait. My 20 something idiot self would have lapped that shit right up.

PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2018 10:26

Sorry C&P fail – dropped two tweets from that thread.

Mister Happy Die Happy
@MrHappyDieHappy
23 Feb
The racism conversations were worked towards first by bashing 'mainstream religion', which amounted to a lot of talk about Muslims and then 'globalism'/big business', which amounted to a lot of talk about the Jews.

To be clear, I don't think Peterson is alt-right, but he IS directly funded and exploited by them. A primary gateway to their message. He's 'their guy'. I found him to be a very captivating talker initially. The man has a charming intensity about him and can be humorous.

He has an inspiring manner about him – fatherly. The panacea of his message is that meaningless, depressing, isolating society stems from shadowy 'neo-Marxist' cabals. From this exact conclusion the alt-right then led me to 'cultural Marxism', an antisemitic conspiracy theory.

lionheart · 25/02/2018 11:06

Moscow Project onnected to this organization, I think, OYBBK:

www.americanprogressaction.org/about/capaf-mission/

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/02/2018 12:08

More on youtube:

Untrue-Tube: Monetizing Misery and Disinformation

medium.com/@d1gi/untrue-tube-monetizing-misery-and-disinformation-388c4786cc3d

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
Read alongside @PaulLewis's great piece from YouTube insider last month... It's taken a long time for YouTube's pivotal and disturbing role to come into focus. And more work is urgently needed.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/02/how-youtubes-algorithm-distorts-truth?CMP=share_btn_tw

lionheart · 25/02/2018 12:21

Sahil Kapur‏Verified account
@sahilkapur

Trump now on Janeane Pirro’s show:

“There is no collusion. No phone calls — I had no phone calls, no meetings, nothing.”

“I don’t want to sound braggadocios. I was a far better candidate. She was not a good candidate. She went to the wrong states.”

He then lists states he won.

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lionheart · 25/02/2018 12:23

Thanks for those links Pain.

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