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To ask you all to send a copy to your child's school ? (gender guidance for schools) - (title edited by MNHQ)

105 replies

therealposieparker · 13/02/2018 15:03

www.transgendertrend.com/schools-resources/

A fantastic resource

OP posts:
SmileEachDay · 13/02/2018 22:07

What do you mean, TERFS?

Notevilstepmother · 13/02/2018 22:08

To be clear, I’m not keen on mermaids pushing their agenda either.

wakemeupbefore · 13/02/2018 22:10

Get your slimy little mitts off schools, OP.

'Transgendering children' my arse.

Off. Off I tell you.

so very Angry

NorthernLurker · 13/02/2018 22:11

TERF - trans exclusionary radical feminist. Or a person with common sense and a realistic assessment of what is in fact misogyny. Depends on your perspective.

beluga425 · 13/02/2018 22:14

This is a sodding joke. Is nobody looking at the website mentioned? Everyone is assuming they'll totally disagree with the contents.

SmileEachDay · 13/02/2018 22:14

Oh I understand the acronym Northern - I just think it’s nonsense.

wakeme - please read the document. It’s a balance to the Mermaids advice.

beluga425 · 13/02/2018 22:15

Good God, how is that website either TERF OR promoting Transgendering Children?

wakemeupbefore · 13/02/2018 22:17

Leave the children out of your agenda. You can bloody identify as a bloody toe-fluff but do not go around schools preaching your warped ideology.
If and it's a very, very big 'if' a child feels they might be in a wrong body, there are support systems in place for those minutely rare individuals to deal with their concerns.
Leave the rest in peace.

NorthernLurker · 13/02/2018 22:17

Grinthat's fine smile I was surprised if somebody had managed to avoid knowing Wink

PowderGreen · 13/02/2018 22:20

@RavenWings I get that you are tired of "trans stuff everywhere'. Who wouldn't be? The media attention, the government is exhausting. But this is why this pamphlet is important. Do you realise that children are being exposed to trans ideology now in many schools because of Mermaids politicisation of this. And Mermaids is not a prof. org. It is a lobby group. Parents who have children who are not stereotypes of gender are 'fresh meat' for gender ideology. Girls at massively high rates are being convinced that they are not lesbians but boys trapped inside. So what this publication does is counter the brainwashing going on. I really advise that everyone read this. It makes a difference between children being embraced in a pro-active way where gender is understood as a dangerous construction for both males and females and that of the identitarians that are honing in on young kids to create their perfect transbot, transitioned so young that they have no idea, no say.

I have read this pamphlet and it is really crucial that, agree with it or not, that this remain next to the literature of GIRES and Mermaids which are both lobby groups interested in medicalising children.

SmileEachDay · 13/02/2018 22:20

I have not managed to avoid it, sadly Northern

I am on Twitter 😱

wakeme - please look - it’s a welcome balance to Mermaids

beluga425 · 13/02/2018 22:22

Not that I accept the acronym either.

colouringinagain · 13/02/2018 22:34

Great resource.

Really important to provide an alternative perspective to Mermaid's material. Like this presentation slide below that tells kids gender is a sliding scale, from pink thin people to chunkier brown people.

This tells kids that if they're a girl that's not pink and girly, then maybe they should be a boy.

This approach is about gender stereotyping, not biology or sexuality.

Gender dysmorphia needs treating like any other body dysmorphia. Through therapy. We don't agree with anorexics when they tell us they are too fat.

To ask you all to send a copy to your child's school ? (gender guidance for schools) - (title edited by MNHQ)
beluga425 · 13/02/2018 22:36

OMG, WTAF is that! Why does it have to be a spectrum?

SuffolkNWhat · 13/02/2018 22:40

This reads as a very interesting and well thought out resource. TT have clearly consulted with teaching staff as it is well aimed at the education setting and it will be helpful to those dealing with these issues in schools as the current guidance has mostly come from Mermaids or GIRES. A balance of ideas/resources is always best.

beluga425 · 13/02/2018 22:41

Who are GIRES?

busyboysmum · 13/02/2018 22:43

Wakeme I think you need to read it. It's saying what you are saying essentially.

SmileEachDay · 13/02/2018 22:46

cupcake GIRES = Gender Identity and Research Education Society

Betti936 · 13/02/2018 22:50

Maybe those throwing insults around should actually read the document first. It is a sensible document on how to support the needs of all pupils - and it encourages schools to use their knowledge, established policies and the law to decide on the best course of action. I think schools should at least read it with an open mind alongside whatever they are being told by Mermaids et al.

WillowWept · 13/02/2018 22:50

Really good resource and a welcome change to the nonsense espoused by mermaids

GirlScout72 · 13/02/2018 23:35

To give them their full title it's

Transgender Trend - parents questioning the trans narrative.

Founder is actually an expert in communication with children, she's an educator.

It's vital for schools, clarifying the stats, the law, and best practice when dealing with children who are saying they are trans, that best protects them, and the other children in the school.

So for e.g. it makes it very clear that schools have no legal obligation to let boys into girls loos, changing rooms, sport, highlights the dangers of gender stereotypes etc. But also suggest ways not to stigmatise nor make into a celebrity the trans child.

Hopefully it'll empower more teachers to do what they think is right for that child, rather than feel scared they are going to be branded a bigot for not instantly affirming their 'gender identity'.

I found the case study from that teacher particularly moving, he's had no kids tell him they are gay or lesbian for ages but he's got 14 girls in one school all telling him they are boys (and the stats say most girls who say they are trans in adolescence will almost certainly turn out to be lesbian)

Surely no one in their right mind is suggesting lesbians don't matter are they? I don't know what it's like for kids now, but when I was a teenager, being called a 'lesbian' was about the worst slur a girl could get in school. Surely we all need to stop and think a minute why perhaps a confused and lonely girl would suddenly decide being the school's transboy celebrity seems like a better prospect?

It is neither anti trans or 'propaganda' to give a balanced, compassionate view of this subject, and all the dilemmas it throws up for teachers and children, all children, not just the trans child, which is what this guide has done.

Carouselfish · 14/02/2018 00:18

'Transchildren' Not a real thing. Unless you mean adults who want to dress in children's clothes and act like they think children act.They are just children with a simplistic understanding of what it means to be a boy or a girl. They are just picking a team when really they might just be a feminine boy or a masculine girl but who will know anyway until they hit puberty? Labelling at Primary school age is a travesty.

I find it strange how 'trans' is claiming as its territory transvestitism, bisexuality, basically anyone who doesn't fit the exact mold of the way their gender is supposed to behave. There have always been transsexuals alongside these other categories and their rights are worth fighting for. But sweeping all these other people to the extreme with all its surgical and hormonal consequences, a rarity before now, is wrong and terrifying. That political correctness has backed the state education and health system into a corner, leading them to not even encourage questioning on the part of the potential trans-person is against common sense. We need that alternate viewpoint.

llangennith · 14/02/2018 00:21

Get off your soapbox OP.

Mrsmiguelcervantes · 14/02/2018 05:07

Yes, get off your soapbox OP! Get your slimy little mitts of children and leave Mermaids to do their sterling work of fucking up children by telling them anti scientific nonsense about being born in the wrong body, teaching them that their body is their enemy and needs to be fixed.

Mermaids, whose founder took her sixteen year old son to Thailand to have his penis and testicles removed.

Shudder. I’m very happy that this guide exists to counter the dangerous one sided dogma that organisations like Mermauds are promoting.

And for those who don’t understand how serious it is that children are being pushed down the trans pathway, children who should simply be left alone to develop and supported with their gender dysphorc or gender non conforming feelings without pushing them towards drugs and surgery and telling them lies about being able to change sex; I suggest you google Jazz Jennings.

Jazz is a teenager who identifies as female. A poster child for trans children, Jazz was put on puberty blockers age 11. At 16 Jazz has breasts and a child size penis which is too small for surgery to turn it inside out in an appropriation of a vagina. Jazz is sterile and sexually dysfunctional and suffers depression.

I also encourage you to look into ‘binders’ that are gaily encouraged in the Scottish guides for schools as being ‘perfectly harmless’.Binders can cause considerable discomfort in girls who wear them and leave them with moderate to severe respiratory problems that can persist after stopping using the binders. One young girl talked about she used to be a good runner but after six months of using binders she can barely run at all without experiencing serious shortness of breath.

The Scottish guide for schools also completely ignores the needs and rights of girls. It suggests that if other learners have a problem with a trans learner using the facilities that match their gender then those learners should be re educated. And THEY need to use other facilities or wait till the trans learner is finished. So teenage girls who don’t wish to change for gym in front of a class mate who until last week was a boy are to be made to feel like bigots and told to suck it up.

I am so glad that this guide has been produced and I suspect many teachers will recognise it as a lone voice of reason in this cultish madness that seems all pervasive.

Hidingtonothing · 14/02/2018 07:03

Do those posters who've deemed this guidance 'transphobic' etc genuinely think it's not dangerous to support/encourage/allow children to make decisions about how they 'identify' at such young ages? Decisions which will have huge implications for their entire lives?

Do you honestly not want them to have all the information so they get a balanced view and (crucially) time to think it all through properly without anyone pushing a particular agenda? Guidance from Mermaids et al is already available to them, do you honestly not want them to hear an alternative view? Are you even aware of the content of Mermaids/GIRE guidance in schools and if not how can you be so sure it's in the best interests of our children that you dismiss this document out of hand?