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The Bulger killers: was justice done?

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WannaBeWonderWoman · 08/02/2018 00:07

Following on from previous thread which was filled.

What would have been the correct way to deal with these little boys who subjected a tiny two year old to protracted agony and unimaginable suffering then?

Interested to know what all the bleeding hearts on here believe should have happened? Whether they attended an adult court and were convicted of murder which they confessed to anyway, was this crueller to them than what they put that child through? They were well treated and even when they were serving their 'sentence' they were protected and given all they wanted (more than they would have got if they'd been in their own homes probably) and had all the help and therapy it was possible to give them. Did they suffer? You could actually argue that they benefitted from killing. They have to live with what they've done, yes, but if they did I find it hard to comprehend that Thompson especially (who came across as the leader in the interviews) can.

The Norwegian case which is often compared to this is nowhere similar IMO. The perpetrators were a similar age to their victim. They were 6 which is almost half the age V&T were and they wouldn't have been tried here anyway. Most importantly that crime was not premeditated or drawn out for hours like the many horrors inflicted on James.

He was the only victim here.

OP posts:
Thymeout · 09/02/2018 17:27

Op

Read Susan's link to a Guardian article, about Silje's death and her parents' and the community's reactions to it.

It contradicts your account of what happened.

Rebeccaslicker · 09/02/2018 17:29

Not quite, Chaos - Michael gave a press interview on the 20th anniversary of James' death. I'll see if I can find a non daily fail link, otherwise it's on there!

ChaosNeverRains · 09/02/2018 17:48

The wording in that article is very telling.

Can’t help but think that it will all end horribly and that in ten years time things in the family will be vastly different.

Elendon · 09/02/2018 17:52

Please post a link to support that last post of yours OP.

GnotherGnu · 09/02/2018 17:56

Sleeping, if we behaved like that, we as a society would frankly be bringing ourselves to somewhere considerably below their level. People who think that is anything other than barbaric don't have the excuse of being 10 years old.

Itsnotmesothere · 09/02/2018 17:58

Hi. Here is a link which says that Silje died of exposure and also that her mother feels very differently now.

Itsnotmesothere · 09/02/2018 17:59

Damn. Here is link Elendon news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8577458.stm

loobyloo1234 · 09/02/2018 18:03

That article won't fit Elendon's narrative. Anyone that dares to back up what they have said on here is apparently a 'liar'

ladystarkers · 09/02/2018 18:03

Venebles had a shot at rehabillitation and blew it... he should be locked up for life now, especially considering type of crime he has be prosecuted for.

Elendon · 09/02/2018 18:04

Those boys punched, kicked and beat Silje with stones. And there were two. They left her half naked in the snow. Now call me stupid, but I can see a similarity in the modus operandi here.

Have you ever been to Norway? It's bloody cold in winter. Taking her coat off after her vicious beating would have been a death sentence in itself.

ButchyRestingFace · 09/02/2018 18:04

To those who think JV/RT should have been incarcerated for life/executed, where do you stand on the issue of Mary Bell?

Same? Shouldn't be allowed to allowed to walk the streets? Should be executed - even now? Are you equally outraged that she is free?

Elendon · 09/02/2018 18:07

That link is not from the OP. Or is the OP operating under two names?

Strongvegetables · 09/02/2018 18:08

Had this occurred or he had been in a different unit he may not have offended again

Why do people constantly look for excuses. Sometimes the buck has to stop with the perpetrator.

Why don’t you spend some time looking at the re offending rates for adults and youths in the uk?

loobyloo1234 · 09/02/2018 18:10

Elendon does it matter who posts the link that backs up the facts people keep giving? You continuously call people out and tell them to prove it. So they do. And you never apologise. Just spout crap

Get over yourself

Itsnotmesothere · 09/02/2018 18:15

I know I am not the OP. I just happened to be reading an article which supported OP's assertions and thought I'd link.

Sleepingbunnies · 09/02/2018 18:16

Yes butch my stance is the same on Mary Bell. I think it’s wrong she was able to become a mother and a grandmother when the same was not possible for the 2 children she viciously murdered.

Elendon · 09/02/2018 18:19

It is quite clear that there are similarities with the two cases as outlined in Wanna OP. Leaving a child in the snow who has been severely injured through beating without a coat is the same really as leaving a child on a railway line.

What is up for discussion is was justice done? Should those two six year old boys have been hanged? It was a brutal murder after all.

Itsnotmesothere · 09/02/2018 18:21

There are also much earlier newspaper articles which report that 3 boys were involved in her attack.

Butterymuffin · 09/02/2018 18:23

Ah, Elendon - you posted on one of the other threads that Venables called the police himself having just smashed up his hard drive. Can you post a link to support that assertion of yours?

loobyloo1234 · 09/02/2018 18:26

But you are the one lying Elendon - which when you keep calling people out, you should be careful of. People are right to say you shouldn't compare. You said

The child murdered was 4 and a half years old, her killers almost 7 and ready for Kindergarten, which they attended weeks after

1 - the girl was 5
2 - the boys were 6

So please, if you are going to tell people it is similar and people should compare, do your research first

Lizzie48 · 09/02/2018 18:33

What happened to Silje was truly horrible. But the killers were only 6 whereas T and V were 10. That's a big difference in age in children.

For 6 year old boys to kill a 5 year old girl, there would surely have to have been more to it, possible abuse in the family? 6 year old boys wouldn't normally even think about doing something like that.

Also, would 6 year olds actually know that removing the little girl's coat would kill her? Would they even understand that killing her meant that she would never come back? It's quite young to understand about the finality of death.

At 10, children definitely understand about the finality of death. So there's a key difference in understanding, which is why in the UK the age of criminal responsibility is 10, though I realise that many would say that's still too young.

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Elendon · 09/02/2018 18:37

Lizz yes a child of 6 would know that removing a coat in sub zero temperatures would result in death. They would know this from a very early age. Three years of language understand of put your coat on it's cold outside and you don't want to catch your death would be instilled in their language.

Itsnotmesothere · 09/02/2018 18:39

Lizzie48 She also succumbed to exposure not her injuries so those boys are really her attackers and not her killers.
Nonetheless, it was awful what they did and it doesn't make a difference to poor Silje. I still believe, having read reports of what V and T said, that at least one of them had intentions of killing a small child