C4 now - the James Bulger case **Trigger Warning - Contains Info about the case** (Title edited by MNHQ)

[Hairgician]

Sat watching this now.

I do not accept the view that those 2 boys were treated unfairly. They murdered that poor little boy and they knew what they were doing and that it was wrong.

They should be rotting in jail. Aibu to say justice not served??

Bell's childhood was indeed appalling.

It's interesting. The argument between nature and nurture. I wonder if perhaps Bell, Thompson, the Edlington boys can all be rehabilitated because their behaviour was caused by nurture. Perhaps Venables can't because it's nature.

Blazeandthemummy

I understand that one of the older siblings of RT was removed and put into care.

Thank you Blaze I hope that people have signed it. Denise is asking for a review of JV case, why in 2015 was he only let off with a Police,caution, and not brought before officials or the Courts, it was said, that as this is a unique case, it needs to be dealt with in a unique way. It was covered up by Authorities and as a result it has allowed him to reoffend again.

Just read that one of the Edlington boys ended up in jail for carrying a knife though. So maybe not.

Take as an example Howard Hughes who abducted and murdered a young girl.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/12127090.Born_into_a_well_off__loving_family__Howard_Hughes_grew_into_a_violent_paedophile_with_a_murderous_ambition_The_brooding_timebomb/

It was revealed after his sentencing:

that Hughes had been linked to multiple sex attacks against children but police had been unable to prosecute either because of a lack of evidence or because the victims' parents had wanted to spare their children further ordeal in court

The judge described him as a 'fiend', not 'pure evil'.

one of the worst in UK history

This isn't the murdered children Olympics.

Oblomov Seriously? What is the point of listing "horrific case details" which you then say you don't even know if they're true?! Totally unnecessary even if they were/are true.

Oblomov18.. I fully agree. Children are murdered that is a fact. But mostly by adults who will never leave jail or never would have, such as Huntley, Brady, Bridger, Hazel.

James murder admittedly by 10 year olds but horrific none the less. This case still breaks parents hearts even today. Got 8 years in a secure home and treat like VIPs. Let out with a new identity and life protection. Even normal law abiding citizens don’t get police protection.
Then the authorities wonder why people get angry. That’s why we have vigilantes. The Government release people and create a paranoid society. The very nature of this case proves that nice normal people say extreme things about these ‘boys’. It brings out the worse in people. Releasing these boys back into the community was always going to be controversial. I don’t know what the solution is, but I don’t want my children to live amongst child killers with new identities. But that’s my personal opinion, you may disagree but I’m entitled to it.

@Blazeandthemummy thank you for coping and sharing the link for Denise Fergus (bulger) to help her get as many people as possible to sign her petition for her son james x

Some people get pleasure out of reading the details of sexual abuse towards children.

I hope you realise this but maybe you don't give a fuck.

Elendon I reported my own post.
Someone asked a question and I answered it, but on reflection think that was unwise so have reported myself.

JediJim you sound like a thoroughly unlikable person, if I'm honest. So yes, I'm disagreeing with you. You should have been a prosecuting barrister.

Wtf makes people want to write out those details over and over again? Seriously.

And talking about this being one of the worst cases in UK history - is it really? Or would you like comparisons? one of the most shocking no doubt because of the fact that the perpetrators were ten year old children, but I think that if you read back through some of the most news-worthy child murders in the past ten years or so, baby P, others whose names escape me but who have died at the hands of parents or step parents while the parents looked on, there are probably enough there to realise that although the circumstances unique (for want of a better word) the acts of brutal murder most certainly were not.

And in response to the question of why the other children were not removed if their lives were so awful, well, there are plenty of cases over the past years of children who were murdered by family who were known to the authorities before their deaths and who were not removed. Why is that? Children not having been removed is not an indicator clearly.

Also, both families were given new identities, so if their children were removed no-one would actually know about it.

If people could share the link as the pages go on, that would be great.
Thank you x

Lots of families do not have children removed but still have chaotic home lives. And Mary Bell had a terrible childhood.
I do think children who do terrible things who have had a terrible childhood, can be, although not always, rehabilitated. We should not give up on these children.

Yes there are some children who do seem to do horrific things even if their childhood was fairly normal i.e. some good and some bad. But that is extremely rare.

*Chaos
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thats not quite true, as they were taken into care before this happened. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-bulger-murder-fatal-meeting-of-disturbed-young-minds-killers-from-broken-but-contrasting-homes-1506473.html?amp

ghostyslovesheets

oh fuck I knew threads like this would pop up

they were children - you do not lock children up for life

Maybe not for life but perhaps they got out too soon. Venables is currently starting another 40 months stretch for possessing some shockingly vile child porn. Surprise.

Crunchymint - but to play devil's advocate, there is a risk there. What if they seem rehabilitated, but later snap and do it again? They've proven they can do something terrible once; can we trust that they won't do it again when the stakes are so high?

How do we balance not locking up people forever and keeping others safe?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/206851

The petition link.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/206851

That petition doesn’t give any detail other than some incident which should have been made public.

There is no doubt that Denise Lewis is struggling here but I do not think that a call for a review of this case is warranted. What do people hope to achieve through this?

JV will serve a minimum of three years now before being reviewed again. After that who knows, but his case is not unique sadly in that many sex offenders do offend and re-offend. Is he a danger? Quite possibly. But it appears that RT is not, and as such what would people want to happen - that he be recalled to prison as well because of JV’s crimes?

I think it is worth questioning how many offenders do re-offend when they are released and whether there needs to be a review of how the rehabilitation of criminals both youth and for sexually related crimes is handled and how someone can be sure (as sure as they can) that someone has been rehabilitated.

But to use a case which involved minors and Where the vigilante mob would be on hand to serve their own special justice achieves nothing other than to further the spread of hate.

Rose There is no such thing as child porn. It is images of child abuse. Please use the correct terminology.