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To not understand Masonic lodges

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Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 20:50

Just been talking to a friends who's husband is a head honcho mason.

He's called the Grand Master or something equally ridiculous.

Apparently throughout a masons 'career' they get to fill in certain blanks in the book and only at the top level do you get to fill in all the blanks.

AIBU to think WTAF?

What is the point in this seemingly childish behaviour in grown men?

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GrapesAreMyJam · 04/02/2018 22:05

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Rachie1973 · 04/02/2018 22:06

BaffledMummy
My brother inherited a ring from my grandfather (long dead) and found it recently. He tried it on and thought no more about... until he got to work and was confused as to why some of his usually standoffish superiors started chatting to him and being friendly when they usually ignores him. It only dawned on him when someone asked him what lodge he belonged to. He was mortified! I was thoroughly amused. Wong went back in the box.

I have one, it flips, the Lodge on one side, and the Set Square and Compasses on the other.

Redglitter · 04/02/2018 22:06

I've just Whatsappd my friend and asked about the book of blanks. He said if I find out what it is to let him know cos in 30 years he's never heard of it Smile

Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 22:07

I was told there is some kind of book and you have only get to know certain parts of it as you progress.

Like you only see the full picture when you're at the top,

It's so insane not even I could have made that up Grin

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ParkheadParadise · 04/02/2018 22:07

Growing up in the west of Scotland in the 70/80’s the masons were well known to be anti-catholic

I believe they still are.

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Redglitter · 04/02/2018 22:10

I believe they still are

Nope there's lots of Catholic Masons in Glasgow. Some quite high ranking. I think it's just the orange lodges that have those outdated rules. Don't get me started on them

Rachie1973 · 04/02/2018 22:10

Bearbehind
Ok rachie and grapes I'm happy to be told I'm wrong or have been misinformed but if new members know what's going to happen or it can be googled, what's with the 'blanks' business?

When the new Grand Poobah comes in to collect his Lodge Summons next week I shall ask him for you. The Summons isn't really a summons either, it's an invitation with a menu and the agenda for the night on it :)

The items on it are usually about the charities stuff, introductions to new members (many of them seem to be builders and mechanics at the moment), often a guest speaker pops up discussing riveting shit like canals of the Ukraine etc.

LightDrizzle · 04/02/2018 22:11

My dad was one, to please his own dad more than anything, grandpa was Standard Bearer in the Grand Lodge I’ll have you know!
I agree it’s fucking bizarre and I’m sure it will die a death. Early into my teens I noticed and thought it strange that men seemed to carry the hierarchies and totems associated with many traditional professions, into their leisure activities, - when you’d think they’d be relieved to cast them off. A lot of golf courses were a bit similar in the 80s, all the crap about etiquette.
It was definitely a big networking deal for many professionals, businessmen and trades as the ethos of helping a fellow Mason was real, so pretty grim when you think of coppers and councillors commonly being members. Not to mention the exclusion of women.
There is a lot of ritual and faux mystery in the masons, some of the “secret” side orders like Rose Crois or the Knights Templar come with fun accessories like swords! (Knight’s Templar). It does seem incredibly childish.
I went to a few Ladies’ Nights as an older child and of course everyone was nice enough, but the Master’s wife traditionally did the flowers for the dinner Grin
Dad told me he’d heard rumour that some of the elderly Estonian and Latvian members of his Lodge were escaped war criminals. I do hope not. They’ll be long dead now anyway.
Dad was born in the 1920s, I’d look askance at a man my age or younger who was interested.

Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 22:11

often a guest speaker pops up discussing riveting shit like canals of the Ukraine etc.

Lol! Grin

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Viviennemary · 04/02/2018 22:12

They are all bonkers IMHO. Nutcases. An old boys club dressing up and having weird ceremonies and initiations.

IndigoMoonFlower · 04/02/2018 22:13

My FIL was a Grand Master. They take it all very seriously because of the serious oaths they take. Some of it is quite sinister and there have been books written that expose their ways. Here are some of the types of oaths they take:

The obligation of a first degree Freemason (Entered Apprentice degree):

“Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty four hours, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn oath and obligation as an Entered Apprentice Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.”

The obligation of a second degree Freemason (Fellowcraft degree):

“Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and given as a prey to the wild beasts of the field and the fowls of the air as a prey.”

The obligation of a third degree Freemason (Master Mason degree):

“Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven, so that no more trace or remembrance may be had of so vile and perjured a wretch as I, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn obligation as a Master Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.”

Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 22:14

Nice indigo Hmm

That kind of stuf would have the police after you in most other circumstances.

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ItsAllABitStrangeReally · 04/02/2018 22:15

They do absolutely loads for.charity in my area........if they want to dress up in silly robes and have funny handshakes then good luck to them.

Rachie1973 · 04/02/2018 22:15

Bearbehind
often a guest speaker pops up discussing riveting shit like canals of the Ukraine etc.

Lol!

You can laugh but I have to proofread this! And it lists ALL the officers of the lodge, and there's about 40 of them. All with the letters after their names accorded to their rank within the organisation. I have to sit, with a ruler straining to see it all properly.

PancakeInMaBelly · 04/02/2018 22:16

I know Catholic masons. That does not however mean that the Masons are not fundamentally anti-catholic.

Just like hiring a black person or two doesn't prove you're not racist etc

Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 22:17

Bloody hell rachie, what are the letters?

What do they mean?

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ParkheadParadise · 04/02/2018 22:19

@PancakeInMaBelly

That's true

Rachie1973 · 04/02/2018 22:19

Bloody hell rachie, what are the letters?

What do they mean?

God knows, I have the book somewhere. I think it's with my FILs apron somewhere. I'll look. The letters are so random. Lots of P's and Z's!

Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 22:20

I suppose my underlying thought is that women just couldn't be arsed with this ridiculous ritual shite.

If they wanted to raise money for charity or meet people they'd do it without aprons, robes, rituals and handshakes.

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Rachie1973 · 04/02/2018 22:22

Bearbehind
I suppose my underlying thought is that women just couldn't be arsed with this ridiculous ritual shite.

Yup. I'd agree with that. Seems like far too much effort for me. My pointless antics don't really run any further than wine and a comfy chair!

Flowerfae · 04/02/2018 22:23

I'm married to one, its all as boring as hell but it means I get the tv to myself for a few nights a week. They do, do alot for charity and 100% of the money goes to whatever charity it is going to. Luckily the men in his lodge (that I know) are actually nice and not like they are sometimes portrayed to be, I only know a couple of them though so there are bound to be some like that. I have never been to a 'ladies night' (and would never want to) so I have no idea what those are like.

I have said to him that if he ever starts to blink sideways (David Icke - Conspiracy Theorist says they are all reptilians) he isn't getting through the door. Oh and yes, I do think they are a bunch of weirdo's and I do regularly take the p* I have read his book thinking I'd find something as interesting as conspiracy theorists make out it is (he's quite high up) I was disappointed, its boring.

Bearbehind · 04/02/2018 22:23

I'm with you there rachie! Grin

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IndigoMoonFlower · 04/02/2018 22:24

That stuff would have the police after you Grin

Heehee, well they can come and have a cup of tea if they like, but considering it's all over the internet these days, it's not like I'm the first to shed some light... It's not unreasonable to not understand, but it's all there for those who want to know. Yes they do do a lot of good works, but those in the top levels have also made some sacrifices to be where they are.